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Offline Doug_3B

Rear Seat Questions
« on: November 27, 2019, 05:22:20 PM »
A year or two ago I picked up an aftermarket rear seat locally for my 3B.  Not sure where it originated.  I bought the rear seat spring clips from Walck's.

The other day, I went to install it.  My first observation is that I thought the spring clips would hold the seat in place a little tighter.  It stays in place, but the slightest upward pressure and the seat pops out of the clips.  Seems like it will pop right out if no one is sitting in it and I'm bouncing over some dirt roads.  Is that to be expected or is something else wrong?

Additionally, I find that the seat sits too far back. It won't fit in place unless the tailgate is down/removed.  Not a huge deal to cut the welds holding the seat frame to the mounting brackets, move it forward, and re-weld, but I wanted to ask the question before I went ahead and did that.  Is this normal with the current aftermarket seats?  The tub is all original off a 53 CJ3B.  Thanks!











-Doug
1963 CJ3B - F134 Hurricane, T90C/D18, OD, D27/44, alternator
1969 CJ5 - Dauntless, T14/D18, D27/44

Offline Rus Curtis

Re: Rear Seat Questions
« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2019, 09:27:06 PM »
Wow, Doug!

First time (that I can recall) I've seen an aftermarket up close.  Thanks for posting those rear legs. 

My seat is the CJ2A #2 style seen here:
http://cj3b.info/RearSeat.html

In that article, there's actually some good images (follow the links - they take you to some more good images for comparison).  One shows where the transition from bottom frame bends up to the backrest frame.  You can see there about where it is welded.  My frame measures (crudely from a yard stick) from the outside edge of the front leg back about 8"-8.25" where the bend begins.  I can  get better measurements but will take a while.

Here's an image I took a while back for a jeep owner who had those rear leg "pegs" missing.  You may be able to build up the material but as is, it seems a bit fragile.
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Re: Rear Seat Questions
« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2019, 11:15:35 PM »
Walck's offers reproductions for the rear seat leg lock: https://walcks4wd.com/leg-lock-rear-seat-cj2a-cj3a-cj3b-dj3a-station-wagon.html
Looks a bit more robust that the one in your photo.

Offline Rus Curtis

Re: Rear Seat Questions
« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2019, 08:50:45 AM »
This is good news!
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Re: Rear Seat Questions
« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2019, 11:34:26 AM »
They are a bit pricey at $28. each!
I found this photo on the CJ3B page http://www.cj3b.info/RearSeat.html that shows that the leg should be more vertical that your reproduction. Would raise the seat back and stop it from hitting the tailgate. 


This is interesting as I need a rear seat for my '64 project and had thought about one of the reproduction seat frames. I think I will look for an original one now.
« Last Edit: November 29, 2019, 11:41:08 AM by Chuck Watford »

Offline SteveKfl

Re: Rear Seat Questions
« Reply #5 on: November 29, 2019, 01:22:03 PM »
IMO ... as Chuck said "more vertical"... and it "looks longer" too to me, which would push the back forward.  Chuck's pic example appears to follow Russ's measurement on "frame to mount placement", further forward on the frame, (how I would make it fit inside) with some significant welds there possibly from "re-attachment"(?), as well as unless an optical illusion from the angle of the pic, the seat back seems "more towards 90 degrees" to the bottom seat than the new frame below.  I wonder if Doug's frame was for SWs with room behind them?  Also look at the front feet where with this one the flat pieces face upward while in Doug's pic they face downward???  Downward seems like it would help prevent the "bounce out" issue.  This will be interesting to find out the "results".
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Offline Doug_3B

Re: Rear Seat Questions
« Reply #6 on: November 29, 2019, 05:25:17 PM »
Awesome!  Great information guys.  So glad I got a great "deal" on this seat  ;D ;D ;D  Now I know why he got rid of it!

The pegs on this reproduction seat seem puny compared what you guys are showing me.  Now to decide whether to try to build them up or spend the $$ on the new ones.

Agreed that the rear legs seem way short on this one compared to the ones in the pictures and that the seat appears to be attached too far back to the legs.

By the time I'm done with this, I will have more work into this one than if I had just fabricated a frame like I had planned!  ;D ;D ;D

I'll try to remember to update this thread when I have it all sorted out.

Thank you, as always, for the information and advice!
-Doug
1963 CJ3B - F134 Hurricane, T90C/D18, OD, D27/44, alternator
1969 CJ5 - Dauntless, T14/D18, D27/44

Offline Rus Curtis

Re: Rear Seat Questions
« Reply #7 on: November 29, 2019, 08:54:05 PM »
Doug,
I got called away and needed to add to this thread.  So glad you other guys chimed in. 

Walck's:
https://walcks4wd.com/leg-lock-rear-seat-cj2a-cj3a-cj3b-dj3a-station-wagon.html

Fabrication:
If you're one of those guys (handy with a welding machine/bending tubes), I have a suggestion.  I too was going to remark on the legs.  If you had good measurements on leg dimensions, you may want to make your own then weld to that frame. 
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