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Reply #15 - 04/09/13 at 18:35:18
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""No offense to anyone here with my next comment.  It's a personal preference.  I just don't think a flat fender Willys looks right with a roll bar.  The removal of them has been the first thing I do.  Speaking of that,  does anyone have a use for 2 old roll bars!! Wink

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I have a great use for it. Scrap steel is running about 180+ a ton= more money for jeep restoration. Smiley
  

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Reply #16 - 04/10/13 at 14:56:55
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I have yet to put a roll bar on my 3B, though there is one resting in the loft of my garage.
I will have to put it on to go to the off-road parks around here.
There's no public land near here where you can go au naturel so I have to get that roll bar on.
but it'll come back off for parades and such.
  

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Reply #17 - 04/11/13 at 01:06:59
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Things have been moving so quickly lately I missed this thread entirely. I wish we had a view new threads since your last visit option, I haven't found it anyhow.

Tim, we appreciate your putting this in the right spot here, but seriously we aren't going to really get down on anyone who posts in the wrong place , we just move the post and change their member name. Well, I am kidding about the last two. The only place we really do a lot of serious moderation is in the FAQ section, as that is where we hope people will go for answers first.

As far as roll bars.....Two of them placed opposite to each other make a decent set of sawhorses....or you could use them to make a workbench with a little more welding. But if you plan on going on any organized trail rides in certain areas jeep clubs require a roll bar, as useless as it may or may not actually be.

Ryan, go ahead and put that quote in the You might be a jeep nut thread..... Grin Grin Grin

That floor sure was hacked... still not unsaveable. Especially if being stock is not a concern. What has your wife requested for seating ??
  

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Reply #18 - 04/27/13 at 14:11:29
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Bill,  I almost missed your question...Rachel is a smidge over 5'8" tall.  She hopes to have the 3A seat frames and the extra space and comfort they offer.  

It's been difficult getting started on this project.  Colorado refuses to let spring arrive.  April has offered nearly 30" of snow.  The majority of the initial work will need to be performed outside.  


A couple weeks back, I was able to find a loaner tub.  The condition isn't much better than what I've started with, but there are a few pieces that can be used.  I paid $200.00 for it....




This is a late 2A tub.  Once I got it home, I found a couple old heaters stashed under the dash…





Some of the parts that are salvageable include at least one wheel house top, the transmission tunnel, the cowl top, the rear floor and one rear quarter panel.  Here, I’ve started to disassemble the loaner tub…



The rear floor is pretty rough, but I think I can save it…





It doesn’t look like Willys Overland bothered to paint the underside of the toolbox.

I’ve got some stuff pulled apart.  Repairs to the individual pieces should be easier than trying to fix them on an assembled tub…





I picked up a sheet of 16 gauge steel from my local steel yard.  I’ve re-stocked my welding and cleaning supplies…



Okay,  Where do I start?  (This is a rhetorical question!) Wink
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Reply #19 - 04/27/13 at 14:23:16
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Nice supply of parts!

You need benchmarks to build from. For me it was the tailgate frame/rear valance and the floor riser. These bolt securely to the frame and give you places to build from...or to...

Can't wait to see the progress!
  

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Reply #20 - 05/01/13 at 16:22:23
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I got the donor tub apart.  Looks like it was originally a Patomac Grey 2A.

I’m starting with the rear floor.  I’m going to make a new riser.

Did I mention the 16 gauge sheet of steel cost me $58.00 with tax? I’ll be able to do a lot of repairs for $58.00  

The floor is badly warped.  There are some serious rust issues. In another time and place, this would be heading to the scrap yard, but a new riser and rear floor will cost me a minimum of $400.00 to $500.00.  This is a $1,000.00 Willys.  I have a hard time justifying a new floor for this Willys, but I’ve just got to have the ribs.  Call me crazy.



Some tools of the trade.  I make my own dollies out of heavy steel bar stock like this…






I cut them to a manageable size, then shape them for a specific purpose.  Most of the Willys sheet metal is flat.  This is an inexpensive approach.  It allows me to avoid spending $200+ on a decent hammer/dolly kit.  Here is one I shaped to fix up the dented ribs in the cargo area and wheel house tops…





I’m using a scrap Wheel house top for some of my patches.  Should work out okay…



And so it begins.  Welding patches, grinding, hammer and dolly work…


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Reply #21 - 05/01/13 at 22:18:32
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Now that looks familiar!
  

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Reply #22 - 05/02/13 at 13:51:04
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'55CJ-5,

Right now, it seems you and I are the ones stuck beating the c&#p out of Willys sheet metal.  You've got a good jump on me.  If I could just get the weather to cooperate.  We just received an additional 5-6" of snow.  Will spring ever come? Undecided

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Reply #23 - 05/02/13 at 17:01:32
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I'll be joining you guys in the tub salvage game.

Tim, I'll send you some warm weather. It is 70 here and very sunny.
  

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Reply #24 - 05/03/13 at 00:14:29
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Thanks Nate.  I could use some sunshine.  We are suffering through a drought situation here, so we really do need the moisture, but I would prefer rain by this time of the year.

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Reply #25 - 05/22/13 at 15:08:20
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Okay Gents,  I’ve got some updates to share.

Through this process, I have often thought that buying a new tub would have made more sense.  The PO was a welder, but he wasn’t a primer/painter.

As this Willys rotted away, it made sense to the PO to just weld new plate steel right over the rusty cancer.  There are places on this tub that have 3 layers of sheet metal.  I am literally having to peel back the layers on this onion…



I’ve got the donor floor all patched up….





I made some hat channels for the cargo area.  I primed the surfaces and welded them on…





With the donor tub and the original rear panels, I was able to salvage enough to patch, cut, weld, and hammer/dolly them into shape…





I’m now working on the wheel houses.  I have one decent 2A wheel house and one decent 3A wheel house.  This is going to be a ‘Thrasher’, but I just can’t have mismatched wheel houses.  I don’t want to be called ‘Bubba’ by the next owner.  So, what to do?

Time to modify the 2A wheel house to match.  But how?  More to come…

Tim
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Reply #26 - 05/22/13 at 20:04:36
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That really looks good! Are you sure you don't want to come over here and finish mine?

How did you make those hat channels?  They look like 16 ga....

  

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Reply #27 - 05/23/13 at 15:16:27
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I was trying to get you over here!! 

The hat channels are 16 gauge.  I clamp the steel between two heavy chunks of 3" angle, heat them up a little, then beat the crap out of it.  These channels were my first attempt using this process.  They aren't perfect, but heck, they are on the underside.  As I make additional patch panels, my approach has gotten better. 

Thanks for taking a look.

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Reply #28 - 05/23/13 at 15:38:47
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Well, they look pretty good!  I used the angle iron-hammer method but only with 18 ga and no heat...

You know, by the time you are nearly finished your patching skills get pretty good...when I look back on my first patch or two I kinda wish I could re-do them. But, that's what it's about...it's a learning process...
  

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Reply #29 - 05/23/13 at 16:53:56
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I dimly remember saying something about those first patches looking worse and worse as you learn more and more..  Cheesy

But that is why you need a second jeep. Just come on down to Bill's home for wayward jeeps and we will hustle out another project for you to use your finely honed new skills on.  Grin

Remember when the job looked impossibly huge? And now...you are nitpicking the small stuff. Thumbs up for a job well done.
  

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