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New member from the Netherlands
« on: July 08, 2015, 03:24:54 PM »
Hi all,

I'm a petrolhead from the Netherlands with a love for old cars especially Jeeps and Alfa's. Though i only bought my first Jeep 3 years ago, for the last 20 years i have owned a 1969 Alfa Romeo GT1300 Junior Stepnose. At the moment it is in resto mode. In between i have owned several modern cars ranging from a little Fiat Uno, several Alfa Romeo 75's, or Milano's in the US. A Citroen a Mitsubishi Evo 8 and a 1999 Wrangler TJ 4.0

Now i only have the old Alfa Junior and 2 Jeeps left, a 2001 XJ and i sold the TJ and bought a 1952 CJ3a  :)

Since the Alfa is in resto mode i really missed driving a classic car, attending classic car events and the smell of petrol mixed with oil. All the little quirks, the looks, the simple designs and engineering and that basic feel of driving, 4 Wheels, an engine, a gearbox and a steering wheel, no modern comforts just pure driving joy.

I'm an active member with the Dutch Jeep Club volunteering at events and guiding people with little to no experience with driving offroad during Jeep club events. People with brand new Jeeps straight from the dealership or people who have just bought an older model Jeep and want to find out what it can do.

I had a lot of fun with the TJ, it had a 5inch lift, lockers front and rear, 3 link rear axle, 33 muds not many places i could not get to. Although it was a Jeep, it was just a car, drive it, have fun, park and repair and forget, just not my cup of tea. Since i was a kid i have been in love with the Willys and always said i would own one some day. Well, now i do, i got a good offer on my TJ at exactly the right time since i spotted a nice little CJ3a that i just had to have.

So the same day i sold my TJ i went to look at it. I will admit i'n not the most rational wen i go and buy a car, i have bought the occasional bag of bolts blinded by the desire to own it  ;D have'nt we all!?  ::)

Well this time i was able to control myself and first have a decent look at it. Engine was cold when i got there, was able to poke around for any hidden rust with a pocketknife, feel the wheels for play, steering, suspension. The engine fired right up, half pull on the choke two taps on the gaspedal and fired up on the second stroke.

Went for a ride with the owner while he told me about the Jeep, how he had used it and how he restored it with his father back in 1989. Half way through the ride we shook hands and went to the postoffice to register the car to my name and transfer the money  ;D ;D

That was about a 2 mile trip  ::) :D

I went there with a friend without a trailer and i had so much confidence in the CJ3a i drove it home a good 150 miles (my friend calling me a nutcase for driving a 63 year old car i just bought, knew barely anything about home over such a distance ) ;D ;D ;D It was the best ride of my life so far. Stayed to the backroads and the little CJ3 never let me down once. Brakes were fine (well at least for the things they put under there to pass as brakes ;)  ;D ) no play in the steering, no dreaded shimming, no pulling to either side under braking. Only thing that came up, mind you for the last 20 years it had not driven more ten 15 miles in a day, was the clutch made a whinning noise sometimes when shifting and it would not go into gear. releasing the clutch and the sound dissapeared immediatly and it shifted very well and supple again.

The other thing is the exhaust manifol cracked, i suspect it already had a small crack and the long and hot ride home (It was around 35 degrees that day) made it crack further. Got hit by a torrential rainstorm, could not see the end of the hood, but the little CJ3 went on like a champ. There is no better way to get to know your car during a long drive. I was wet through and through but a big smile never left my face the entire trip home ;D ;D It was great.

The former owner had used the CJ3a on his farm, for small trips inspecting his crops, some fence work or to get some hay for the horses. AL this time he took very good care of it and kept it clean and rustfree. It could not have wished for a better owner all that time.

So a bit of background on the Jeep before the pics. It is one of a few CJ3a's purchased by the Dutch army in the 1950's. It was customized to be used as a snowplough for airfields. They put a Ford V8 in the back, put the driveshaft stright through the windshield frame right next to the driver to power the plough. They also fitted an extra low gear that could be engaged in 4x2 on the back wheels or atop of the standard low gear. This was used in heavy snow to allow the plough enough time to spinup and throw the snow. It really moves at a snails pace when put into that low-low gear. Afterwards it was used by the Dutch government Department for roads before it was sold to a military vehicle wholesale company. The person i bought it from purchased it there in 1970, used it untill he restored it in 1989 and kept on using it on his farm. So I am now the second private owner  ;D quite unique i think.

I have already taken of the manifolds and ordered NOS ones, same for the clutch assembly. I will replace everything i can when the clutch is out. Seal, bearing, carrier, pressureplate, clutchdisc etc.

So long story, now what you have all been waiting for:

lol ran out of characters  ;) ;D
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Re: New member from the Netherlands
« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2015, 03:36:34 PM »
This is a picture from the sixtees showing the same CJ3a i now own in action  ;D



Not sure this is also it or one of his brothers in action



Advertisement from the military wholesaler the car was bought from around 1970



The pictures of the advertisement on the internet:

















And here some pictures taken during the ride home  ;D ;D





Next to my old TJ I sold it to the same friend that went with me to look at the CJ3a



Almost home  :)



The stick in the back is the stick for the extra low gear



And a picture of the cracked manifold



I will take some more pictures from underneath when i get to repairing the clutch  ;D

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Re: New member from the Netherlands
« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2015, 04:04:00 PM »
Almost forgot, here's what the he will be towing during the holidays and to weekend events  ;D

a 1956 Polynorm trailer with a rooftop tent  ;D







Restored it and painted to match the TJ



The CJ3a does need a new paintjob, i have not decided yet what it will be. Though it's military history would suggest army green, it is a Civilian Jeep, besides that most flatfenders over here are already green, same for all the M38A1's. So i'm leaning towards either Red or Flat black with some of the parts accented in a different color. Same thing as is did when restoring the trailer, nothing to fancy though. But first drive it for a while fix anything that might come up before i make my final decision on the color.
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Re: New member from the Netherlands
« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2015, 04:04:38 PM »
Welcome Aboard! Nice story and pretty neat Willys.

It has some military add-on like the rear bumperettes and firewall gloves box. The tailgate is from Kaiser corporation era since it's stamped jeep.

I would like more info about this extra low gear.
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Re: New member from the Netherlands
« Reply #4 on: July 08, 2015, 04:51:45 PM »
Thanks, had alot of luck with finding this one  :)

As for the extra low gear, i'm afraid all i can do for now is this, perhaps someone recognizes it:



And some live action  ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSlBImo9AEU&feature=youtu.be

I'm taking the Jeep to a specialist shop that restores old Jeeps and military vehicles for the clutch, dont feel confident enough yet to tackle it myself. Perhaps they can tell me more about it, and i'll make sure to make more pictures when the gearbox is out underneath it for the repair.
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Re: New member from the Netherlands
« Reply #5 on: July 08, 2015, 04:59:36 PM »
Wow! I like the vids.
It's the first time i saw those kind of gear. I'm guessing it's like the opposite of an overdrive. I'm pretty sure some guru from the forum will give theirs inputs.

I noticed the stamped jeep on the windshield. Nice.
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Re: New member from the Netherlands
« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2015, 11:09:55 AM »
Very nice!  And I like your camp trailer - you Euro folks have the coolest tents and campers.

What are those tires?  Have not seen those on this side of the pond (or maybe just not paying attention).

Have fun making this 3A your own.
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Re: New member from the Netherlands
« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2015, 02:59:32 PM »
Thanks,

We have to be creative  ;) Most Airstreams and US RV's sadly are to big for most of our roads  ;)  ;D and especially towns.

As for the tires, they are 7.00 R16 Michelin XCL Nato Pattern Tires. Should be available in the US i think. They replaced the narrow "finger pattern" thread Nato tires on Land Rovers and light vehicles!?
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Re: New member from the Netherlands
« Reply #8 on: July 11, 2015, 06:36:48 AM »
Wow very nice jeep and love the story behind it, welcome
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Re: New member from the Netherlands
« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2015, 12:50:48 PM »
Thanks Kirkski


So i pulled the transmission out from under the Jeep, was'nt to bad at all, was a bit hesitant because the CJ3 is completly new to me and i read that it was a big job, heavy, a pita etc. etc. Off course i should have known better, it was build to be repaired in the field. Not that i recommend it to everyone, but hardly the day and half of work the Jeep specialist quoted me for. The modification for the crawl box did make it easier and i still have to pull the bellhouse off and put everything back.

Anyway,

Any Willys guru that can tell me what i'm looking at  :) apart from the obvious that it is a transmission  ;) ;) ;D





Cannot find any markings on the extra box :( do i have the goose with the golden egg here ;D ;D that one in a million most sought after piece of Willys equipment  ;) ;) ;) ;)


As far as the condition of the parts. There's a little up and down play on the input shaft, no axial play though!? is that normal?

The bearing was definately going, the inner part moves around in an oval motion and up and down.

I doubt the bearing caused the almost buzzsaw like sound i heard sometimes. It was definately not teeth grinding (like when you misshift 1st to 2nd but hit reverse  ::) ) Have to wait what i find when i dig deeper into the inner bowls of the Jeep  ;D ;D ;D
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Re: New member from the Netherlands
« Reply #10 on: July 20, 2015, 03:36:44 PM »
Never seen that piece before. It looks like it has no moving external parts? When you tackle repairs get some pic's on it for sure
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Re: New member from the Netherlands
« Reply #11 on: July 21, 2015, 11:44:47 AM »
So the extra gear is between the transmission and the transfert case...Hum...

I see where the extra gear shifter bolt on but not what it move.

I think your rear driving shaft might be shorter than the original one.

I still trying to understand how it work.
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Re: New member from the Netherlands
« Reply #12 on: July 22, 2015, 12:40:40 PM »
Should have pulled it apart, forgot to add these pictures:





Cannot find anything about it on the net, closest thing seems to be some early type of Atlas box perhaps?? I'll measure the driveshaft, but it has to be shorter, does not look like a hack & weld job though, looks like it was properly fabricated.
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Re: New member from the Netherlands
« Reply #13 on: July 22, 2015, 02:42:47 PM »
Moving parts, it does look like an overdrive to me. Where is the 2nd picture have the shafts in relation to the tranny/transfer case?
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Re: New member from the Netherlands
« Reply #14 on: July 22, 2015, 07:33:33 PM »
Well, by watching the video we can say that is not an overdrive. An "underdrive"  :)
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