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Re: Too rusty to save?
« Reply #45 on: February 09, 2013, 12:50:47 PM »
I think I have gotten the last of the riveted in overlay panels out..

I'm back to thinking I need a bed floor. K-W offers one with the riser attached...

This is what happens between the panels..

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Re: Too rusty to save?
« Reply #46 on: February 09, 2013, 01:44:21 PM »
KW's riser with the floor attached is most likely the MD Juan version, which is slightly flimsier than stock. I don't know if I could recommend using it or not, maybe the new ones are heavier than the one I got almost a decade ago. Classic's rear floor had issues too, if they can make a flat one instead of the twisted one I got a while back, it may be worth it. I do know there have been improvements at both places. The Classic floor is heavier than stock and strong as can be.

The cheapest way to do this would be to purchase or far a new riser, then use flat steel to make the floor.  It is About 36 by 39.5 from memory with a 5/8 flange turned down around the edge for welding to the wheelhouses. There are hat channels underneath, not as tall as the ones under your front floor.

Speaking of hat channels, you may want to purchase some premade hat channel material from a place called Nor Am �body parts, and use them to fab up new ones, if they are close to the stock size. Otherwise buy new prefabbed ones. �If the one in your tranny tunnel is bad, Midwest military makes a good one and I think Classic now has one. It is too complicated to make your own.

If you have a sheet metal shop nearby with a press brake or a good tight leaf brake, you can often have hat channels made pretty inexpensively compared to purchasing from the jeep suppliers. Just have them make several lengths of the sizes you need and cut off what you need to install.
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Re: Too rusty to save?
« Reply #47 on: February 09, 2013, 02:16:04 PM »
I'm beginning to think that I should take the body off the frame, and set it to one side while I go after the transmission/engine/brakes springs etc etc. �That will give me time to maybe turn up a donor body or decide which way to go with this one. I've been looking at the wheelhouses and they too have overlay panels to about 1/4 of the distance back towards the tailgate. If I keep pulling off these panels pretty soon there will be nothing left but the tailgate and it's got some rust too..

If the body falls to bits or break in two when i take it off, my decision will be made....



The trash can will be heavy this week..


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Re: Too rusty to save?
« Reply #48 on: February 09, 2013, 02:25:34 PM »
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KW's riser with the floor attached is most likely the MD Juan version, which is slightly flimsier than stock. I don't know if I could recommend using it or not, maybe the new ones are heavier than the one I got almost a decade ago. Classic's rear floor had issues too, if they can make a flat one instead of the twisted one I got a while back, it may be worth it. I do know there have been improvements at both places. The Classic floor is heavier than stock and strong as can be.

The cheapest way to do this would be to purchase or far a new riser, then use flat steel to make the floor. �It is About 36 by 39.5 from memory with a 5/8 flange turned down around the edge for welding to the wheelhouses. There are hat channels underneath, not as tall as the ones under your front floor.

Speaking of hat channels, you may want to purchase some premade hat channel material from a place called Nor Am �body parts, and use them to fab up new ones, if they are close to the stock size. Otherwise buy new prefabbed ones. �If the one in your tranny tunnel is bad, Midwest military makes a good one and I think Classic now has one. It is too complicated to make your own.

If you have a sheet metal shop nearby with a press brake or a good tight leaf brake, you can often have hat channels made pretty inexpensively compared to purchasing from the jeep suppliers. Just have them make several lengths of the sizes you need and cut off what you need to install.

Thanks Bill, I figured the K-W floor was an MD Juan, as are most of their other parts except for the one's that have Made in the USA in the description, and these are probably Classic Ent. parts.  

I'm still looking for a sheet metal shop that is willing to make parts like that.  not much luck so far. The one shop only sells steel, the other only cuts it. There are plenty of them so someone must take on small parts like this...

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Re: Too rusty to save?
« Reply #49 on: February 09, 2013, 08:32:15 PM »
Bed floor is off....The good news is that the frame still looks really good...no previously hidden holes...

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Re: Too rusty to save?
« Reply #50 on: March 08, 2013, 08:57:54 PM »
New parts have arrived!! �The new panels from Classic Enterprises have exceeded my expectations.....They look great, and each one is signed by the fellow who fabricated them.

The next week should show some significant progress...
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Re: Too rusty to save?
« Reply #51 on: March 08, 2013, 09:10:04 PM »
Did the new floor you got have bend or twist to it when you got it? Or will it sit flat all by itself?
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Re: Too rusty to save?
« Reply #52 on: March 08, 2013, 09:40:51 PM »
The floor sits flat by itself. It is quite sturdy, with two hat channels running cross wise and the 1/2" or so lip all the way around...

The hats for the front floor have the spacers welded in, and the left front fender support has a short piece of wood inside for crush prevention.

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Re: Too rusty to save?
« Reply #53 on: March 08, 2013, 10:27:41 PM »
Randy,

Looks like I'm a bit late to chime in here. �I'm glad you're attempting to repair what you have. �It will be a lot of work, but will be worth it in the end. �I have always regretted scrapping my old tub, but luckily I was able to find a donor for a killer price.

My search for a donor took me to a junkyard just about 2 miles north of the town of Wendell on Hwy 46. �There was a CJ3B there. �I seem to recall several low hood tubs sitting around, but don't know of their condition or even if they're there anymore. �That would have been back in 2005 or so. �You can see it on google maps, it's a decent size yard. �Maybe worth a day trip out there. �If nothing else, it's usually a good time wandering around a good old junk yard �:D

The only thing I can say about them at the time I was there: �they must have thought that 3b tub was made of gold. � :o
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Re: Too rusty to save?
« Reply #54 on: March 08, 2013, 10:36:44 PM »
Hi Doug,

I'm on my way to Wendell via google earth..!

Thanks for the info.

I'm hopeful that I can save this tub....there may be more parts needed but for now this may work....
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Re: Too rusty to save?
« Reply #55 on: March 08, 2013, 10:44:29 PM »
I found it..L&L Classic Auto...that place is huge!
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Re: Too rusty to save?
« Reply #56 on: March 12, 2013, 12:15:05 PM »
Panel fit is good....



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Re: Too rusty to save?
« Reply #57 on: March 13, 2013, 02:26:32 PM »
Drivers side hat channels installed along with a home made repair panel
I'm using 3M panel adhesive along with tack welds....
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Re: Too rusty to save?
« Reply #58 on: March 15, 2013, 01:04:40 PM »
Driver floor is in....

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Re: Too rusty to save?
« Reply #59 on: March 16, 2013, 07:25:17 PM »
Keep up the good work.  Great thread. Keep it going.