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SSG T Flatfender Enthusiast Offline Hooah Posts: 151 Location: Knox, NY Joined: 01/15/15 Gender:	Re: Help! 51 CJ3A Reply #45 - 03/13/15 at 23:08:28	Print Post
	1955CJ-5 wrote on 03/13/15 at 23:04:45: Or, the cam and oil pump gears are not meshing and the oil pump is not turning.... Even if it's shot/worn it ought to turn... Can you post pictures? I'm not sure what you mean by the braided ground wire.... I just did, Does the picture show up for?


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1955CJ-5 Flatfender Master 2013 Sponsor Member 2016 Sponsor Member 2015 Sponsor Member Offline It wasn't always green.... Posts: 2338 Location: Boise, idaho Joined: 12/18/12 Gender:	Re: Help! 51 CJ3A Reply #46 - 03/13/15 at 23:09:17	Print Post
	I see the wire now..our posts crossed in the mail! Somebody has added that.....maybe they used it to ground the engine? There should be a ground strap near the right front motor mount, from the frame to the engine plate.

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SSG T Flatfender Enthusiast Offline Hooah Posts: 151 Location: Knox, NY Joined: 01/15/15 Gender:	Re: Help! 51 CJ3A Reply #47 - 03/13/15 at 23:16:10	Print Post
	Yes, that ground strap by the motor mount is good. if you look close you can see the old braided ground behind the new added one. leads me to believe that should be there.


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athawk11 YaBB Administrator Owner Member 2012 2016 Sponsor Member 2015 Sponsor Member Offline 1949 CJ3A Posts: 2771 Location: Arvada, Colorado Joined: 01/26/11 Gender:	Re: Help! 51 CJ3A Reply #48 - 03/13/15 at 23:23:54	Print Post
	SSG, Did your friend pull the oil pump out of the block too? All above info is dead on. Inspect the "key" on the distributor shaft. It might have some burrs that won't let it slip fit into the oil pump slot correctly. If so, just dress the edges with a file. Don't go crazy. Just enough to get it to fit in to the slot. Tim

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Ryan_M Flatfender Master Owner Member 2012 2016 Sponsor Member 2015 Sponsor Member Offline Posts: 1695 Location: Glenburn, ME Joined: 12/29/11 Gender:	Re: Help! 51 CJ3A Reply #49 - 03/13/15 at 23:25:43	Print Post
	I don't know what else is behind that firewall but if it were me and you have all stock gauges and ignition I would wire it up exactly as it should be in stock form. Eliminate all the mystery add-ons and you'll have fewer variables to deal with. The wiring on these is very simple. I'm utterly numb on all things wiring and I was able to get a couple to run. If I can do it anyone can pull this off.

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1955CJ-5 Flatfender Master 2013 Sponsor Member 2016 Sponsor Member 2015 Sponsor Member Offline It wasn't always green.... Posts: 2338 Location: Boise, idaho Joined: 12/18/12 Gender:	Re: Help! 51 CJ3A Reply #50 - 03/13/15 at 23:31:33	Print Post
	Well, first what I would do is make sure the rotor is fitted to the distributor shaft correctly. there is a flat side to the shaft and a corresponding flat inside the rotor. It should be a snug fit. If the rotor is tight on the shaft, try to rotate the shaft and rotor together by hand. If they turn freely then the dist tab probably is not fitting into the oil pump slot....it can be a snug fit if the little anti-rattle clip is on the end of the distributor shaft...and the oil pump slot is off center so the distributor will only fit one way. If you are able to turn the rotor by hand and it is really tight or if you hear noises inside the engine, there may be other issues...

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SSG T Flatfender Enthusiast Offline Hooah Posts: 151 Location: Knox, NY Joined: 01/15/15 Gender:	Re: Help! 51 CJ3A Reply #51 - 03/13/15 at 23:33:32	Print Post
	Hey Tim, No he did not pull off the oil pump. I'll pull the whole thing out and check it over. found a distributor for $10 local. might pick that up and try it if none of this works. its for a 2A tho, would it still work?


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athawk11 YaBB Administrator Owner Member 2012 2016 Sponsor Member 2015 Sponsor Member Offline 1949 CJ3A Posts: 2771 Location: Arvada, Colorado Joined: 01/26/11 Gender:	Re: Help! 51 CJ3A Reply #52 - 03/13/15 at 23:57:34	Print Post
	SSG, Don't pull the oil pump! Not just yet. I was hoping your friend left it alone. If not done correctly, pulling, then resetting an oil pump can cause additional issues we don't want to have just yet. It would just complicate what we're all trying to do right now...get this running. As the others have suggested, over a 65 year life span, wires and components have come and gone. You are likely to find a bunch of stragglers that do nothing...and go no where. (we all have) The cable you are holding in your hand may have gone to a starter solenoid, then down to your starter. Your starter looks new...and correct for a 3A, so my guess is that cable got let behind when your Willys was fixed up at some point. Let's get your Distributor spinning, then start messing with other stuff. Tim
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SSG T Flatfender Enthusiast Offline Hooah Posts: 151 Location: Knox, NY Joined: 01/15/15 Gender:	Re: Help! 51 CJ3A Reply #53 - 03/14/15 at 00:14:32	Print Post
	athawk11 wrote on 03/13/15 at 23:57:34: SSG, Don't pull the oil pump! Not just yet. I was hoping your friend left it alone. If not done correctly, pulling, then resetting an oil pump can cause additional issues we don't want to have just yet. It would just complicate what we're all trying to do right now...get this running. As the others have suggested, over a 65 year life span, wires and components have come and gone. You are likely to find a bunch of stragglers that do nothing...and go no where. (we all have) The cable you are holding in your hand may have gone to a starter solenoid, then down to your starter. Your starter looks new...and correct for a 3A, so my guess is that cable got let behind when your Willys was fixed up at some point. Let's get your Distributor spinning, then start messing with other stuff. Tim its the original starter, just had it rebuilt ( Nice $190 bill)


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Carls_jeep Flatfender Master Owner Member 2012 Offline ... Posts: 1746 Location: Taylorsville Ky Joined: 10/19/10 Gender:	Re: Help! 51 CJ3A Reply #54 - 03/14/15 at 01:25:35	Print Post
	How hard does the engine turn over by hand with the spark plugs out? I am suspecting the engine bearings or rings are to tight.


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SSG T Flatfender Enthusiast Offline Hooah Posts: 151 Location: Knox, NY Joined: 01/15/15 Gender:	Re: Help! 51 CJ3A Reply #55 - 03/14/15 at 02:09:46	Print Post
	Turns over good i think. Not loose enough to so with out a wrench


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athawk11 YaBB Administrator Owner Member 2012 2016 Sponsor Member 2015 Sponsor Member Offline 1949 CJ3A Posts: 2771 Location: Arvada, Colorado Joined: 01/26/11 Gender:	Re: Help! 51 CJ3A Reply #56 - 03/14/15 at 12:43:13	Print Post
	Carl, If you go back and read the posts, you'll see he's solved the slow turning issue.

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p3ferris 3A Guru Sponsor Member Offline Still Plays With Jeeps Posts: 249 Joined: 10/28/10	Re: Help! 51 CJ3A Reply #57 - 03/17/15 at 02:38:50	Print Post
	Pull the starter out and check it


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SSG T Flatfender Enthusiast Offline Hooah Posts: 151 Location: Knox, NY Joined: 01/15/15 Gender:	Re: Help! 51 CJ3A Reply #58 - 03/17/15 at 11:17:10	Print Post
	Sorry guys but the Willys is on hold. My wife had a bad car accident and i have been in the hospital since Friday. Will pick up where I left off in a few weeks.


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bretto 3A Guru Offline OD 3A cousin Posts: 486 Location: Orem Utah Joined: 12/09/10 Gender:	Re: Help! 51 CJ3A Reply #59 - 03/17/15 at 11:22:40	Print Post
	Oh no, hope all is well, my thoughts and prayers are with you.

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