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1955CJ-5 Flatfender Master 2013 Sponsor Member 2016 Sponsor Member 2015 Sponsor Member Offline It wasn't always green.... Posts: 2338 Location: Boise, idaho Joined: 12/18/12 Gender:	New Engine in Crate? 01/25/14 at 16:41:48	Print Post
	I saw this on ebay. Not for me but it's interesting to see the routing of the lines and the type fuel pump... http://www.ebay.com/itm/Brand-New-Complete-Vintage-Jeep-4-Cylinder-Engine-L-134-... Notice the included voltage regulator and the exhaust flange bolts...
	« Last Edit: 01/25/14 at 16:49:03 by 1955CJ-5 »
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SteveW 3A Guru Offline Still Plays With Jeeps Posts: 455 Location: Fort Myers. Fl Joined: 09/09/13 Gender:	Re: New Engine in Crate? Reply #1 - 01/25/14 at 19:50:25	Print Post
	Very nice. Looks like sn 3j507227
	« Last Edit: 01/25/14 at 19:52:58 by SteveW »
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1955CJ-5 Flatfender Master 2013 Sponsor Member 2016 Sponsor Member 2015 Sponsor Member Offline It wasn't always green.... Posts: 2338 Location: Boise, idaho Joined: 12/18/12 Gender:	Re: New Engine in Crate? Reply #2 - 01/25/14 at 20:00:24	Print Post
	In the text he mentions the s/n as RJ307227...which i think is correct for a replacement engine... It's pretty neat...if i were a lot closer i'd be tempted...
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Mike S 3A Lover Offline CJ2A SN CJ2A114542 Posts: 52 Joined: 12/16/13 Gender:	Re: New Engine in Crate? Reply #3 - 01/25/14 at 21:50:08	Print Post
	These engines were still being used for postal Jeeps in 1970. I did notice the missing throttle bracket. It has a different starter than either of my L134s, though.

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1955CJ-5 Flatfender Master 2013 Sponsor Member 2016 Sponsor Member 2015 Sponsor Member Offline It wasn't always green.... Posts: 2338 Location: Boise, idaho Joined: 12/18/12 Gender:	Re: New Engine in Crate? Reply #4 - 01/25/14 at 22:32:12	Print Post
	F-heads maybe. The starter is marked 6V and is a kick start. It looks like my starter but i can't read the number in the photo...

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F Bill Flatfender Master Offline Posts: 1395 Location: ???? Joined: 12/02/10 Gender:	Re: New Engine in Crate? Reply #5 - 01/25/14 at 23:55:06	Print Post
	Mike S wrote on 01/25/14 at 21:50:08: These engines were still being used for postal Jeeps in 1970. I did notice the missing throttle bracket. It has a different starter than either of my L134s, though. It has a 6Volt electrical system and a WO carb, which makes me think it was destined for a 3A with that fuel pump and front plate. His dad must have figured that out and never put it in their WWII jeep that they bought it for. Starting bid is $1200 which, if it is as nice inside as it looks outside, is a deal. HOWEVER....I'd want to see it in person and spin it over before spending serious coin on it.

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p3ferris 3A Guru Sponsor Member Offline Still Plays With Jeeps Posts: 249 Joined: 10/28/10	Re: New Engine in Crate? Reply #6 - 01/26/14 at 01:24:28	Print Post
	F Bill wrote on 01/25/14 at 23:55:06: Mike S wrote on 01/25/14 at 21:50:08: These engines were still being used for postal Jeeps in 1970. I did notice the missing throttle bracket. It has a different starter than either of my L134s, though. It has a 6Volt electrical system and a WO carb, which makes me think it was destined for a 3A with that fuel pump and front plate. His dad must have figured that out and never put it in their WWII jeep that they bought it for. Starting bid is $1200 which, if it is as nice inside as it looks outside, is a deal. HOWEVER....I'd want to see it in person and spin it over before spending serious coin on it. I believe you are right Bill the fuel pump has the vaccume pump on it which the 2a, Ibelieve, did not.


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1955CJ-5 Flatfender Master 2013 Sponsor Member 2016 Sponsor Member 2015 Sponsor Member Offline It wasn't always green.... Posts: 2338 Location: Boise, idaho Joined: 12/18/12 Gender:	Re: New Engine in Crate? Reply #7 - 01/26/14 at 02:26:10	Print Post
	Between the forward facing ear on the front engine plate and the kick start, it must be a 49 to maybe late 52 3a engine. No bids yet.....it's neat but a tough sell...

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Ryan_M Flatfender Master Owner Member 2012 2016 Sponsor Member 2015 Sponsor Member Offline Posts: 1695 Location: Glenburn, ME Joined: 12/29/11 Gender:	Re: New Engine in Crate? Reply #8 - 01/26/14 at 02:27:30	Print Post
	I am very glad it isn't even remotely close to me.....

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1955CJ-5 Flatfender Master 2013 Sponsor Member 2016 Sponsor Member 2015 Sponsor Member Offline It wasn't always green.... Posts: 2338 Location: Boise, idaho Joined: 12/18/12 Gender:	Re: New Engine in Crate? Reply #9 - 01/26/14 at 02:44:27	Print Post
	Ryan_M wrote on 01/26/14 at 02:27:30: I am very glad it isn't even remotely close to me..... Compared to where i am, it is close to you! I know what you mean..what a temptation. But, if it's legit, it's a piece of history, so how could you just use it? It's like, say you found a jeep, still crated, in a barn somewhere...well, you couldn't just put it together...

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Ryan_M Flatfender Master Owner Member 2012 2016 Sponsor Member 2015 Sponsor Member Offline Posts: 1695 Location: Glenburn, ME Joined: 12/29/11 Gender:	Re: New Engine in Crate? Reply #10 - 01/26/14 at 02:54:04	Print Post
	I'd be content with either a crated jeep or that motor just sitting in my living room for me to look at. "Honey, c'mere a sec. I need a hand moving the couch..."

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1955CJ-5 Flatfender Master 2013 Sponsor Member 2016 Sponsor Member 2015 Sponsor Member Offline It wasn't always green.... Posts: 2338 Location: Boise, idaho Joined: 12/18/12 Gender:	Re: New Engine in Crate? Reply #11 - 01/26/14 at 02:56:36	Print Post
	You could use that crated jeep as a box spring....put the old king size sleep number bed on top....

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p3ferris 3A Guru Sponsor Member Offline Still Plays With Jeeps Posts: 249 Joined: 10/28/10	Re: New Engine in Crate? Reply #12 - 01/26/14 at 10:37:20	Print Post
	1955CJ-5 wrote on 01/26/14 at 02:56:36: You could use that crated jeep as a box spring....put the old king size sleep number bed on top.... This would not work too skinny. Solution....buy 2 jeeps in a crate.


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Jeff_M Flatfender Enthusiast Offline Jeepless, but living vicariously through others... Posts: 164 Location: Raymond ME Joined: 02/04/13 Gender:	Re: New Engine in Crate? Reply #13 - 01/27/14 at 12:05:58	Print Post
	Very rare opportunity--and yet I'd find it frustrating because I'd want to run it which would undoubtedly decrease its worth.
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athawk11 YaBB Administrator Owner Member 2012 2016 Sponsor Member 2015 Sponsor Member Offline 1949 CJ3A Posts: 2771 Location: Arvada, Colorado Joined: 01/26/11 Gender:	Re: New Engine in Crate? Reply #14 - 01/27/14 at 15:48:27	Print Post
	If legit, and truly NOS, that really is a museum piece. Still, I would love to open it up, measure it, caress it. Once you consider the time and money it would take to get an existing engine back to that condition, I think it's worth every penny the guy is asking for it. Tim

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Ryan_M Flatfender Master Owner Member 2012 2016 Sponsor Member 2015 Sponsor Member Offline Posts: 1695 Location: Glenburn, ME Joined: 12/29/11 Gender:	Re: New Engine in Crate? Reply #15 - 01/27/14 at 16:19:29	Print Post
	athawk11 wrote on 01/27/14 at 15:48:27: Still, I would love to open it up, measure it, caress it. LOL! Me too. Boy, we are a special brand of weirdos, aren't we?

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Birddog7 3A Lover 2015 Sponsor Member Offline Still Plays With Willys Posts: 90 Location: Illinois Joined: 05/01/13 Gender:	Re: New Engine in Crate? Reply #16 - 01/27/14 at 20:22:54	Print Post
	Last I looked 3bids top is $2500.00 WOW

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	Brand new motor color was black?

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James P 3A Lover Offline Still Plays With Jeeps Posts: 78 Location: Pierson, MI Joined: 04/28/12 Gender:	Re: New Engine in Crate? Reply #18 - 01/27/14 at 22:07:05	Print Post
	Actually I think that he might have touched it up with a rattle can. If you look at the crate it is sitting on it has black paint on it, so unless Willys painted em on the crate it has been touched up. Though I could be very wrong on my opinion that does happen on occasion just ask my wife.

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F Bill Flatfender Master Offline Posts: 1395 Location: ???? Joined: 12/02/10 Gender:	Re: New Engine in Crate? Reply #19 - 01/27/14 at 22:07:05	Print Post
	Factory installed motors were black. Legend has it that replacement motors with a R prefix were supplied RED, but it is also very possible they came in black.. Bob W, got anything to add to this about the color?

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F Bill Flatfender Master Offline Posts: 1395 Location: ???? Joined: 12/02/10 Gender:	Re: New Engine in Crate? Reply #20 - 01/27/14 at 22:37:24	Print Post
	James P wrote on 01/27/14 at 22:07:05: Actually I think that he might have touched it up with a rattle can. If you look at the crate it is sitting on it has black paint on it, so unless Willys painted em on the crate it has been touched up. Though I could be very wrong on my opinion that does happen on occasion just ask my wife. Willys also may have touched it up once it was attached to the crate too.. I'm never wrong, I don't have a wife...

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Bob W Flatfender Master Owner Member 2012 2016 Sponsor Member Offline Posts: 2159 Location: Monticello, NY Joined: 10/19/10 Gender:	Re: New Engine in Crate? Reply #22 - 01/28/14 at 01:31:29	Print Post
	F Bill wrote on 01/27/14 at 22:07:05: Factory installed motors were black. Legend has it that replacement motors with a R prefix were supplied RED, but it is also very possible they came in black.. Bob W, got anything to add to this about the color? I don't have any Willys documentation about replacement engine color, just data from surviving stuff. It's looking like 4LR prefix (short blocks) were red. I'm guessing this was just the primer/sealer. And R3J prefix (complete engine assy) were black. Most R3J engines show up in stationary equipment. I'd sure like to know the Willys part number of that NOS engine assy.
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Carls_jeep Flatfender Master Owner Member 2012 Offline ... Posts: 1746 Location: Taylorsville Ky Joined: 10/19/10 Gender:	Re: New Engine in Crate? Reply #23 - 01/28/14 at 15:47:45	Print Post
	Bob W, send the seller an email and ask him the numbers.


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athawk11 YaBB Administrator Owner Member 2012 2016 Sponsor Member 2015 Sponsor Member Offline 1949 CJ3A Posts: 2771 Location: Arvada, Colorado Joined: 01/26/11 Gender:	Re: New Engine in Crate? Reply #24 - 01/29/14 at 02:36:37	Print Post
	Ryan_M wrote on 01/27/14 at 16:19:29: athawk11 wrote on 01/27/14 at 15:48:27: Still, I would love to open it up, measure it, caress it. LOL! Me too. Boy, we are a special brand of weirdos, aren't we? Yah, sometimes I'm a real goof. I've found that life is more fun if I don't take myself too serious. With this group, I'm a little surprised that you and I are the only ones willing to admit it. Tim

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Carls_jeep Flatfender Master Owner Member 2012 Offline ... Posts: 1746 Location: Taylorsville Ky Joined: 10/19/10 Gender:	Re: New Engine in Crate? Reply #25 - 01/29/14 at 02:59:55	Print Post
	If I bought it I certainly would use it when the time came. It would be nice to have a fresh drop in engine but that would take the fun of building one for myself. I have a complete used engine and a lot of spare engine parts so I have no need for that engine.


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F Bill Flatfender Master Offline Posts: 1395 Location: ???? Joined: 12/02/10 Gender:	Re: New Engine in Crate? Reply #26 - 01/29/14 at 15:25:27	Print Post
	There is a discussion on a similar NOS engine for a GPW over on the G 503 site.... it is on Ebay as well. The seller evidently planned on using it, so it was taken completely apart and reassembled with all new seals and gaskets and freeze plugs.....I would expect that might be needed on this one too, although replacing freeze plugs might be a bit excessive..I'd expect many of the gaskets to fail quickly if it were used as is. They have been sitting for 60 plus years drying out and rotting... I installed a rebuilt but never used motor in my 47, a couple years back. I took off the pan and replaced the pan gasket, and also had to loosen up the valve train which had stuck in storage. Sitting is never good for mechanical things, especially in wetter climates or outside.

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PaulS 3A Guru Offline Still Plays With Jeeps Posts: 271 Location: Edmonton, AB Joined: 04/22/13 Gender:	Re: New Engine in Crate? Reply #27 - 01/29/14 at 15:44:27	Print Post
	I was thinking the same thing. In addition to gaskets/seals, you'd probably have to inspect everything internally for corrosion. (Perhaps hone the cylinders if there's a patina of rust?) The fact that the water pump appears to be seized is a concern... But if I bought it, you can bet I'd use it! I don't need a museum piece! Besides, my engine has a 2A S/N (and was probably cast for an MB), so this is probably closer to original. The "JEEP" on the head is a problem for me, though. A 3A head should say "WILLYS" if it's original, shouldn't it? What year did they start using the "JEEP" name? -Paul


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1955CJ-5 Flatfender Master 2013 Sponsor Member 2016 Sponsor Member 2015 Sponsor Member Offline It wasn't always green.... Posts: 2338 Location: Boise, idaho Joined: 12/18/12 Gender:	Re: New Engine in Crate? Reply #28 - 01/29/14 at 16:55:54	Print Post
	Dry gaskets, corrosion, mouse nests and insects...all are probably there...and the carb will need to be gone through....the engine may even need a rebuild without the machine work. But still, a new starter, generator, manifolds with no cracks, and maybe no rusted bolts...and standard size pistons.. Maybe the future winner is a forum member and we will learn all about it... The head on my 3a has both the Willys and the Jeep cast into it. The Jeep is sort of centered front to rear and the Willys is back by the firing order/valve clearance casting..

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PaulS 3A Guru Offline Still Plays With Jeeps Posts: 271 Location: Edmonton, AB Joined: 04/22/13 Gender:	Re: New Engine in Crate? Reply #29 - 01/29/14 at 18:18:20	Print Post
	I'm going to have to go back and look at my two heads. I don't remember seeing Jeep on them. The pictures I have handy (only of the installed head, not the spare) don't show the whole head--I could see Willys on one shot, though. But based on the pictures here http://ww2jeeps.com/htm/heads.htm I think you're probably right. -Paul


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F Bill Flatfender Master Offline Posts: 1395 Location: ???? Joined: 12/02/10 Gender:	Re: New Engine in Crate? Reply #30 - 02/03/14 at 16:11:30	Print Post
	Sold for $2500, who got it??

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	There was only one bidder on it...

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1955CJ-5 Flatfender Master 2013 Sponsor Member 2016 Sponsor Member 2015 Sponsor Member Offline It wasn't always green.... Posts: 2338 Location: Boise, idaho Joined: 12/18/12 Gender:	Re: New Engine in Crate? Reply #32 - 02/03/14 at 17:38:16	Print Post
	It would be interesting to see what happens to it....

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