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11/10/13 at 01:11:22
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Well, leak is to big a word for it. After a while a drop or two accumulate and then fall on the ground....Drip maybe is better...

Anyway, I've read about this but can't find it now. It leaks from between the pump body and the cover plate. I want to take the cover plate off and put a new gasket in there and see if that stops the leak.

What will happen when I take that cover off? A face full of oil?  Continued drainage of the oil galley and everything else above the level of the pump? Are the gears going to fall out, and will i have to prime the system again before restarting?

It's a new made in USA pump and delivers immediate 40 psi at startup...I still have the old pump...

I've been trying to just ignore it but that isn't working....
  

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Reply #1 - 11/10/13 at 12:12:21
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Be careful, that gasket sets the end clearance of the gears which is really important. It's probably best to remove the pump from the engine for this repair.
  

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Reply #2 - 11/10/13 at 16:04:14
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Bob W wrote on 11/10/13 at 12:12:21:
Be careful, that gasket sets the end clearance of the gears which is really important. It's probably best to remove the pump from the engine for this repair.


Thanks Bob, I was afraid that might be the case....I think there is a section on oil pumps in the manual..I better read it..

I might have to consider just replacing it......
  

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Reply #3 - 11/10/13 at 18:40:33
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Yes, remove the pump then pull the cover. Take a depth mike and measure the clearance from the body to the impeller and compare that to the factory manual. Measure the depth at three or four points around the surface.

You will need a gasket that gives the clearance recommended by the factory specs regardless of after market or original pump.

To get the correct clearance subtract the depth of the impeller in the body from the recommended clearance and that is the thickness of gasket you will need.

You also may want to dress the surface of the body and the cover plate on a surface plate with 220 emery cloth before taking the measurements listed above. It's possible the body and/or the cover plate are deformed. Only remove the high spots so you have a flat gasket surface.

Be very careful doing the dressing and measuring and you may have to make a gasket as I did. A few extra thousandths clearance is better than a few less thousandths.  
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Reply #4 - 11/10/13 at 20:24:49
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Thanks Carl,

I read the manual and it explains the process for setting and checking the end clearance...a little loose is better that too tight!

An interesting thing is that I have an "old" style oil pump as described by the repair manual...the relief valve is in the cover rather than in the pump body....I wonder where the machinist got it.....
  

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1955CJ-5 wrote on 11/10/13 at 20:24:49:
Thanks Carl,

I read the manual and it explains the process for setting and checking the end clearance...a little loose is better that too tight!

An interesting thing is that I have an "old" style oil pump as described by the repair manual...the relief valve is in the cover rather than in the pump body....I wonder where the machinist got it.....


I think in reality I have the newest new type oil pump. Though the relief valve is still in the cover, there is no vent or drain plug as shown in the repair manual....and it looks just like the one that Walck's sells....

I may just pull the bolts one at a time and give them a good dose of thread sealant..the book recommends thread sealant in the re-assembly section..

  

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Reply #6 - 11/11/13 at 03:34:07
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If your pressure is fine then the 1 bolt at a time sounds like a good idea to me. If it doesn't fix it then pull it.
  

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Reply #7 - 11/11/13 at 03:45:12
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Permatex makes a teflon thread sealant..Permatex 14...I'll need to order some.

I watched it today and the oil seems to accumulate around the bold heads...

And I read that squirting starting fluid in the holes will help clean the residual oil out...
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Reply #8 - 11/11/13 at 12:41:32
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Some starting fluids have lubricant to make it safer for 2-stroke engines.  Avoid using that type or you'll have a residue, or just use brake cleaner.
  

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Reply #9 - 11/11/13 at 13:33:00
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Use carb or brake spray cleaner to degrease parts.
  
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Reply #10 - 11/11/13 at 15:33:00
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I agree...

I use brake cleaner for nearly everything else, so why not here?
  

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Reply #11 - 11/12/13 at 01:34:06
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I sealed all the bolts on the oil pump with Permatex High Temp thread sealant.. The stuff takes 24 hours to cure so it's wait and see now.

The lower bolt that mounts the pump to the block was wet with oil when i took it out so it was probably the culprit. The rest were dry and I don't think the cap bolts contact an oil source anyway.

If anything further needs to be done the pump will come out as it is not fun to work on in that confined space....
  

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Reply #12 - 11/12/13 at 02:40:34
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There is nothing fun about pulling the pump in a fully assembled Willys.  I pulled the exhaust pipe. That helped a little bit, but still turned out to be a real knuckle scraper.

Hopefully you're done with the repair.

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Reply #13 - 11/12/13 at 02:52:30
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I wondered about that..it looks tight. I can't imagine working it back in there without throwing off the ignition timing..

I do hope I done with it. I'll give it plenty of time to cure....
  

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