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09/02/13 at 04:11:47
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I've been lurking here for a little while now, trying to learn what I can before I make a purchase.  And now I have.

By day, I'm a college English professor.  I've spent the last several years building up a sagging and abused 88 Grand Wagoneer into a fun wheeler.  It's referred to as the Big Jeep.  The new one will be the Little Jeep.  (For an English prof, you'd think I could come up with better names.)

My new rig is an absolute basket case that was destined either for a mercy killing or a parting out on Craigslist.  But the previous owner had a sentimental attachment to it and couldn't handle the idea of parting it out.  He had driven it in high school while working for the original owner on that guy's farm up in Visalia and had hoped to restore it after the original owner passed away.  But he ran into a problem.  He's 6'6" and 275.  So he had to let it go, but he wanted it to go to a good owner that would put it back together and enjoy it, which I will indeed do with my wife and three kids.

I'm taking up the cause of resurrection, but it's too far gone to be a beauty queen.  It's a 1951 CJ3A, serial number 451-GB1 37063.  But I got a whole lot more than I need.

My parts haul:
* The frame is strong.  I've been under and around it looking for cracks and I'm quite happy so far.
* Stock axles are in good shape.
* 11" rotors front and rear.
* Saginaw steering, but I will have to double check the way it was mounted.
* Two tubs--the other is a CJ2A (i think based on the top mounting points on the outside of the tub) that is just a few hat channels from becoming Fred Flintsone's four wheeler.
* Two window frames, both from CJ2As.  One looks quite good.  The other has some extra metal pieces welded on it (accommodate theme among my parts cache).  I like the fold out window feature of the 2A, so this was a welcome surprise.
* Five fenders, one set matching the CJ2A tub, one pair from another rig entirely, and one that matches the CJ3A.
* Three hoods--from the same three rigs as the fenders.  One of them weighs an absolute ton because someone in its past gave it a second skin on its underside.
* Three gas tanks--two stock and one that fits above the rear axle.
* A honey comb radiator that I think may work with the engine that's in it.
* Speaking of which, it came with a Ford Windsor 260 V8 (I wish it was a 289).  The shade tree welder who "installed" the mounts made them beefy enough, but I'm not sure I like how boogered up they are.
* Massive leaf springs front (9 leaves) and rear (13 leaves--military?).  They look like the ones I've seen on a M38A1 I was considering.  I'm concerned they will make it ride like the rear axle is bolted to the frame directly.
* Warn Overdrive that shifts cleanly.
* T90 that I'll open and and look at, paying close attention to second gear syncros (right?).
* Front and rear seats.  Don't think the rear is stock, but it fits.  The CJ3A tub is hacked in a few areas.  First, the tool box under the passenger is gone, with new metal stitched in.  Second, parts of the rear fender wells were cut out to accommodate, of all things, a bench seat in the front.  The original owner had some creative ideas when it came to welding.  Out back, an eighteen inch diamond plate step/hitch monstrosity that I will be introducing to a cutoff wheel, a sawzall, and maybe even a plasma cutter.
* Beat up tailgate.  The 2A tub had a thick sheet of steel welded across its back.  I want the tailgate.

All in all, it's going to give me ample opportunity to learn the fundamentals of metal working.

My plan is to make it a wheeler.  It'll ride on 32s. It may get a 2.5-3" lift, etc.  I know some aren't fans of doing such things to these rigs, but that's why I found a rough one (well, a rough pair) that would never qualify for a restoration.  It would cost less just to buy all new parts than to fix this thing and make it look good.

In the end, the front half will be a CJ2A, the tub and below a CJ3A, moved along by one of the wimpier Ford V8s out there.

It'll never be done, but it will always be fun.

I look forward to learning from you all and chatting with some fellow enthusiasts.

Tucker


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Reply #1 - 09/02/13 at 04:39:18
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Pictures?
Pictures please.
We all love pictures.
  

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Here are a few to give you all a taste of what I've got ahead of me.







The kids want their swing set back, so I'll be moving the spare parts elsewhere in the yard soon.
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Reply #3 - 09/03/13 at 03:11:53
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That tub looks nice!!! Smiley
  

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OK, that's the kind of playground I'd have liked to have when I was a kid. Swings over an obstacle course of Jeep parts. Woohoo.
  

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Reply #5 - 09/03/13 at 14:41:17
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Welcome!
  

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Reply #6 - 09/03/13 at 18:48:51
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Looks like a great start to a very fun project.  Welcome to the 3A.

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Reply #7 - 09/03/13 at 20:05:03
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Reply #8 - 09/03/13 at 21:46:04
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Welcome to the 3A page Tucker, and please feel free to keep any lapses in grammar you may notice here to yourself. Grin
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Reply #9 - 09/04/13 at 20:38:02
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Thanks, guys.  I'm very excited about digging and making something from this pile of bones.

Matto wrote on 09/03/13 at 21:46:04:
Welcome to the 3A page Tucker, and please feel free to keep any lapses in grammar you may notice here to yourself. Grin
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Will do.  My family is afraid to email me, but I try to keep my inner-editor muted.      Lips Sealed
  

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Reply #10 - 10/16/13 at 01:29:59
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I've got a mutt of a rig and I love it, but I need some of this site's collective wisdom to help me figure out what tranny/Xfer case models I have.

The casting numbers on the tranny are as follows:
- on the main case, T90A-1 in large print and 69-11-7 in small print nearby.
- on the shifter base, T90C 148D

So is this a T90A-1 or a T90C with an A case (which my research leads me to think is a possibility)? I need to do a rebuild and want to order the right kit.

The transfer case has no large casting numbers at all, which surprises me. Since it is a Dana 18 (I know that much) with a PTO and a Warn overdrive unit, I expected to see a C 15-18-XX type of casting number. But the intermediate shaft measures 1 1/4", not 1 1/8" as I would have expected from a Xfer case from this year 3A.

Are these clues telling you that it's a later model T90C coupled to a later Dana 18? Or ...?

I'm doing my level best to research this thing but I just can't find anything precise to help me in my rebuild efforts.

Thanks for any help you can give me.
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What is stamped on the transmission case here?




What is stamped on the transfer case here?
  

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The transfer case with the 1 1/4" intermediate shaft is from mid 1954 or later.
We know that Willys used up all the T-90A transmission cases before changing the casting to say T-90C. There are lots of T-90A cases with T-90C guts. I think the T-90C guts with the 3.34:1 1st gear was around 1959 for the CJs.

So you've probably got a trans and transfer case from a 3B or even a CJ-5.
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1954 3B - - - 1957 Wagon - - - 2010 4-door JK
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Reply #13 - 10/16/13 at 23:46:10
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Bob W wrote on 10/16/13 at 10:32:59:
What is stamped on the transmission case here?
http://www.cj3a.info/tech/datecodei.jpg



What is stamped on the transfer case here?
http://www.cj3a.info/tech/datecodeg.jpg


Both those spots have been ground smooth (noticeably so compared to the rougher casting surface around them), just like the back of the Xfer case.  Weird.  Not sure what the plan was for whoever did that.
  

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Tucker wrote on 10/16/13 at 23:46:10:
Both those spots have been ground smooth (noticeably so compared to the rougher casting surface around them), just like the back of the Xfer case.  Weird.  Not sure what the plan was for whoever did that.


That is unusual. The best we can do is this.......

johnrb3b wrote on 10/16/13 at 13:46:06:
The transfer case with the 1 1/4" intermediate shaft is from mid 1954 or later.
We know that Willys used up all the T-90A transmission cases before changing the casting to say T-90C. There are lots of T-90A cases with T-90C guts. I think the T-90C guts with the 3.34:1 1st gear was around 1959 for the CJs.

So you've probably got a trans and transfer case from a 3B or even a CJ-5.

  

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