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garage gnome Flatfender Master 2013 Sponsor Member Offline Rustologist Posts: 1931 Location: Chester Joined: 02/16/12 Gender:	correct fasteners for footman loops? 03/25/13 at 19:13:01	Print Post
	I know the correct fasteners for the footman loops were slotted head screws. I was inspecting the body on my '49 today to see how much damage I need to fix on it and I came across this on the tailgate. 3 of the 4 footman loops use phillips head screws and this one uses both styles. The rest on the body use slotted screws. Just another monkey wrench thrown in the works. These have never been removed either.

	Nate in Western MA 1953 3A #3268, The Jalopy, '47 2A Wheelin' rig, '49 3A, #37071, unmolested, bone stock named Ted
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1955CJ-5 Flatfender Master 2013 Sponsor Member 2016 Sponsor Member 2015 Sponsor Member Offline It wasn't always green.... Posts: 2338 Location: Boise, idaho Joined: 12/18/12 Gender:	Re: correct fasteners for footman loops? Reply #1 - 03/25/13 at 20:58:57	Print Post
	Maybe they opened the wrong box and had to use them anyway? Are all the phillips heads mixed with slots or do some have two phillips? My '51 has little acorn nuts on the inside, but only on the tailgate...and the screws are slotted just like the one you have pictured...no phillips..
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garage gnome Flatfender Master 2013 Sponsor Member Offline Rustologist Posts: 1931 Location: Chester Joined: 02/16/12 Gender:	Re: correct fasteners for footman loops? Reply #2 - 03/25/13 at 21:15:26	Print Post
	The other 3 on the tail gate use 2 phillips. The other footman loops on the body and grille have slotted heads. none of the nuts are acorn nuts on this jeep. They all use regular nuts, even the footman loop for the grille.

	Nate in Western MA 1953 3A #3268, The Jalopy, '47 2A Wheelin' rig, '49 3A, #37071, unmolested, bone stock named Ted
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garage gnome Flatfender Master 2013 Sponsor Member Offline Rustologist Posts: 1931 Location: Chester Joined: 02/16/12 Gender:	Re: correct fasteners for footman loops? Reply #3 - 03/25/13 at 21:57:56	Print Post
	Ok, I checked my '53s original tailgate and that had slotted screws and acorn nuts. I checked a 53 or 54 3B tub and it uses the same phillips screws and no acorn nuts.

	Nate in Western MA 1953 3A #3268, The Jalopy, '47 2A Wheelin' rig, '49 3A, #37071, unmolested, bone stock named Ted
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athawk11 YaBB Administrator Owner Member 2012 2016 Sponsor Member 2015 Sponsor Member Offline 1949 CJ3A Posts: 2771 Location: Arvada, Colorado Joined: 01/26/11 Gender:	Re: correct fasteners for footman loops? Reply #4 - 03/25/13 at 23:28:16	Print Post
	Hey GG, I may be wrong, but I swear I read somewhere that the original tailgate did not have the holes for the footman loops. They just had those little dimples that you sometimes see on the top of the wheel wells. This would lead me to believe the footman loops could be added if the owner wanted to have a top, but were not neccessarily standard. Maybe your footman loops were added later and those were the screws a PO had on hand. Help us out Bill...Bob...Larry... Is Rocketeer ever coming back??

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garage gnome Flatfender Master 2013 Sponsor Member Offline Rustologist Posts: 1931 Location: Chester Joined: 02/16/12 Gender:	Re: correct fasteners for footman loops? Reply #5 - 03/25/13 at 23:37:51	Print Post
	There were knock-outs in place if you didn't order a top with it. I suspect that this jeep had a factory installed top because the bolts for the door risers are still there and they are marked TR like all the other original bolts on the jeep.
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garage gnome Flatfender Master 2013 Sponsor Member Offline Rustologist Posts: 1931 Location: Chester Joined: 02/16/12 Gender:	Re: correct fasteners for footman loops? Reply #6 - 03/25/13 at 23:40:41	Print Post
	Bottom of the page discusses the knockouts. http://www.film.queensu.ca/cj3b/Dating/DatingTailgates.html

	Nate in Western MA 1953 3A #3268, The Jalopy, '47 2A Wheelin' rig, '49 3A, #37071, unmolested, bone stock named Ted
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athawk11 YaBB Administrator Owner Member 2012 2016 Sponsor Member 2015 Sponsor Member Offline 1949 CJ3A Posts: 2771 Location: Arvada, Colorado Joined: 01/26/11 Gender:	Re: correct fasteners for footman loops? Reply #7 - 03/25/13 at 23:57:30	Print Post
	Heck, I don't know then Nate. All the footman loops that were still in place on my '49 were attached with standard head screws. No Phillips heads to be found. Tim

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Bill04SD Project Jeep Offline Still Plays With Jeeps Posts: 11 Joined: 07/11/11	Re: correct fasteners for footman loops? Reply #8 - 04/01/13 at 00:06:49	Print Post
	Quote: There were knock-outs in place if you didn't order a top with it. I suspect that this jeep had a factory installed top because the bolts for the door risers are still there and they are marked TR like all the other original bolts on the jeep. Could have been a half cab from the factory and the tailgate loops added later?


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athawk11 YaBB Administrator Owner Member 2012 2016 Sponsor Member 2015 Sponsor Member Offline 1949 CJ3A Posts: 2771 Location: Arvada, Colorado Joined: 01/26/11 Gender:	Re: correct fasteners for footman loops? Reply #9 - 04/01/13 at 03:29:37	Print Post
	That's a good thought Bill. How about that Nate? That may solve the mystery. Tim

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garage gnome Flatfender Master 2013 Sponsor Member Offline Rustologist Posts: 1931 Location: Chester Joined: 02/16/12 Gender:	Re: correct fasteners for footman loops? Reply #10 - 04/01/13 at 11:54:10	Print Post
	That could be a possibility. I'm not sure if you could have ordered only a half cab from the factory? Anyone know? I was under the impression it was only a full top or no top from the factory.

	Nate in Western MA 1953 3A #3268, The Jalopy, '47 2A Wheelin' rig, '49 3A, #37071, unmolested, bone stock named Ted
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