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CJ3A Buying Questions - First Time Willys Buyer
« on: August 18, 2022, 09:46:06 AM »
Hello all, first time post here.  I'm a current owner of AMC vintage CJ5 and CJ7 and now there's a 3A for sale near me that's got my interest.  I'm looking for comments from the group as to what to look for when I go see this in a few days.  The seller obtained this 1951 3A from a friend's estate and told me that it had previously been in storage for 20 years.  He got the engine running and refreshed the brakes but otherwise doesn't know a lot about what he has.  To my untrained eye it looks to have been restored/repainted at some point and there appears to be a 69+ tail gate as well as something not right about the instrument cluster (MB) and missing handbrake.  Pics below.  Thanks in advance for your advise and comment.
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Re: CJ3A Buying Questions - First Time Willys Buyer
« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2022, 11:26:32 AM »
CJ5ME,
Welcome!  The fact you own older jeeps I think will help.  I'm always on alert when I look at "restored" vehicles - especially if you don't know the owner that did the work.  Those shiny paint jobs can cover up a lot of secrets.

I see an interesting combination of mismatches.  I confess I don't know nearly as much as others but if that's a glove box on your instrument panel, I'd wonder if that's a different tub or a spliced tub.  You've already identified the donor tailgate, which just reinforces how parts are interchangeable and the instrument cluster panel (similar to M38) also doesn't go with a 3A.  Another thing I can see is the driver's seat leg seems to be straddling the transmission cover - either the seat isn't secure or it's another missmatch.  The stick shift boots look different.  That could either mean custom boots or something different about the drive train.  The top may be a nicely built custom (appears to be using OEM style bows). That rear crossmember doesn't look stock (it's symmetrical with a homemade hitch).  And those hub caps!  Wonder what type wheels are being used?

That's not to say this can't be a good addition to your collection.  How it runs and how it fits into what you want is I think more important.  You definitely want to really inspect under the tub to see what's there, i.e. hat channels, patch panels, welds, leaks, the rest of the frame, etc.  Deviations under the hood may also help you decide (did you get any images there?).  Did you get a test drive?  Unknowns are fluid status of axles/knuckles, transmission, etc.  You can look at oil and coolant.

Most importantly, based on all the above, what's the price?  If it's reasonable for what you see and what you intend to do with it, okay.  If it's an exorbitant amount based on a "full restoration" I'd be wary.
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Re: CJ3A Buying Questions - First Time Willys Buyer
« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2022, 06:40:51 PM »
The tub is an older reproduction.  The sure tell sign is the combination of M38 and CJ3A features.

That said, it looks like a very nice Willys.  Got any photos of the engine bay? 
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Re: CJ3A Buying Questions - First Time Willys Buyer
« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2022, 07:05:42 PM »
Welcome anc I agree with Tim. It’s a n early replacement tub.
IMHO 3A’s rock !
But you need decide what you really want and see if it fits your need.

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Re: CJ3A Buying Questions - First Time Willys Buyer
« Reply #4 on: August 19, 2022, 07:15:21 AM »
Thanks for the comments, just the feedback I needed.  Seller wants $15,500 for it which I'm guessing is way over the top but I've run into this before, regardless, given the observations I don't think it's what I'm interested in getting into. 

Engine photo.  Not a great view but doesn't look like anything too crazy going on under there.  Looks like 12v conversion. 
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Re: CJ3A Buying Questions - First Time Willys Buyer
« Reply #5 on: August 19, 2022, 08:20:48 PM »
In my view, the reproduction tub does drop the value a bit, but there is a lot to like under the hood. 
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Re: CJ3A Buying Questions - First Time Willys Buyer
« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2022, 05:29:31 PM »
I went and looked at this CJ3A.  Seller seems to think that the PO bought this back in the 60s and it’s been local to SE Indiana it’s entire life.  Confirmed it’s a replacement tub on what looks like an original frame and engine.  Tub looks in great shape top and bottom, no rust dents etc.  Motor is complete and runs well but I didn’t drive it, the tires looked to be about 40 years old (at least) and didn’t want to risk it.  Frame looks like maybe it was painted at the time the new body was put on but if so the prep work was sorely lacking, lots of rust here but nothing so bad that it couldn’t be saved.   The top looks to be vintage Bestop.  The odometer says 12,xxx mi, and seller seems to think those are actual miles. Sorry but I didn’t get any additional pics. Any opinions on market value?
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