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1951 CJ3A in San Diego
« on: March 31, 2016, 09:11:32 PM »
So my ol' man handed down to me his ol' man's 1951 CJ3A. First thing I did was gather a backstory and find out as much background as I could. What I have been able to gather so far is my grandfather use to work for an avocado distributing company called Index Mutual (now Index Fresh). He also was a grower for Index mutual and owned several jeeps throughout the years to use on the ranch and haul avocados down to the packing house. Apparently this was his last and nicest willys he had. From what I've been able to tell so far, it appears fairly unmolested and original. At least for being a 51 Willys. A few details I was able to gather from my father was that my grandpa had the motor rebuilt (unsure how long ago this was), fuel tank replaced, and seats reupholstered. The body was resprayed by my father back in the mid 70s. At some point after the motor had been rebuilt it stopped running. It got torn apart, had a seized piston, and between lack of internet for parts and research and other projects coming up, the jeep got pushed to the back of the line in priority. So it has been sitting torn apart for the last 20-30 years. Initially it was garaged, then it was stored outside under a harbor freight tent, then the tent got torn down from the horrible weather here in San Diego  ::), and so it sat outside for maybe the last couple years.

When it got signed over to me I wanted to find out as much history of the vehicle as possible, and soon realized how difficult of a task that is. It did come with the original body serial tag, but when I looked above the water pump for the engine serial number it appeared it had been ground off most likely from the engine rebuild... However, I am fairly confident the VIN number used on the pink slip is the engine serial number as it is the same format as engine serial numbers of that time period. (I had read somewhere this could be pretty common as well) Also the VIN number (i think) makes sense for what the original engine serial number would be with my body tag serial number. If anyone wants to confirm or correct that last sentence please do. (Body tag serial number 451-GB1-41091 and engine serial number 3J93843). So then came the question "was there ever a different motor swapped into it before the rebuild?" The way everything is looking, I am fairly confident the engine serial number to this motor is the VIN number. I don't suppose there is any way of knowing for sure is there?

Anyway I'll stop chatting and post up some picture. BTW it hasn't changed much from how it looked when I got it. That is because the first thing I did was build a shop for it to keep it out of the rain. Then I gathered all the parts that were scattered around and started doing some very rough cleaning, including vacating a rat out of the fuel tank... I did get the steering wheel and steering box/column out, and the body is all unbolted ready to be lifted off. Just need to figure out how and where to store it while I go through frame and drivetrain components.

Here is how it sat when i received it...
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Re: 1951 CJ3A in San Diego
« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2016, 09:13:30 PM »
Here it is much happier in side the shop my dad and I built. Looks like the original color was Potomac Grey. Then some kind of dark grey/blue, then the yellow from my pops.
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Re: 1951 CJ3A in San Diego
« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2016, 09:23:24 PM »
In the past it was very common to use the engine serial number for the title VIN number. CJ-3A serial number 451-GB1 41091 and engine serial number 3J93843 do fit together as original numbers so I think you can be confidant they are the numbers for your Jeep.
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Re: 1951 CJ3A in San Diego
« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2016, 10:18:01 PM »
Welcome to the 3A Page.  Looking forward to the rebirth. 

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Re: 1951 CJ3A in San Diego
« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2016, 10:41:39 PM »
Thanks Bob, that's good to hear.

So besides deciding where and how to store the body I have also been researching and trying to decide how I want to paint frame and various small parts as I get them cleaned up as this will be my first phase. Also I should have mentioned I am new to the old CJs and new to restorations in general. This will be my first restoration project, and want to do things right as well as use it as a learning experience by trying to do as much as I can myself.

I just got a media blaster to help clean up the frame and other parts. I am planning on using the master series silver primer/sealer and AG111 for the frame, axles, suspension, steering, etc. Then for the small parts I get cleaned up I will spray with SPI epoxy primer. Still looking for a good gloss and semi-gloss black to paint over the epoxy primer for the various engine compartment parts. Currently I am going off a list that is on the cj2a website for color scheme in the engine compartment, combination of semi-gloss black and gloss black. Figured things were probably the same in the 3A.

I am always open to comments and suggestions so please chime in with thoughts. I plan on going through every component and restoring if possible or replacing if it can't be restored. Trying to go for originality with everything as much as possible. Good news is I can't find any serious rust aside from the surface rust. And the body is straight with only minor dings and tweaks. End color scheme is going to be Potomac Grey with red trim.
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Re: 1951 CJ3A in San Diego
« Reply #5 on: April 01, 2016, 08:34:12 AM »
Looks like a great start to a project. Someone has already helped you by disassembling half of it!

I like the story of the family history. Good stuff. There are a few of us here with "heirloom" Willys and even more of us who have never tackled any sort of restoration project before embarking on a 3A overhaul. My gray 3A was my first effort and to say I didn't have a clue when I started is a huge understatement.

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Re: 1951 CJ3A in San Diego
« Reply #6 on: April 01, 2016, 04:16:26 PM »
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Looks like a great start to a project. Someone has already helped you by disassembling half of it!

I like the story of the family history. Good stuff.

+1� �:)

I am drooling over that rustfree tub,� after months of trying to restore mine.

If you get a chance,� could you take some closer photos of this area?� �maybe looking up from bottom also.


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Re: 1951 CJ3A in San Diego
« Reply #7 on: April 01, 2016, 04:56:59 PM »
JeepFever here are some photos. Getting shots from underneath are a little difficult right now because I ended up getting the tub off and it is sitting on a trailer. I will try to get some today. Just need to have someone tilt the tub up so i can snap them. Anyway let me know if these help or if you were looking for something else...
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Re: 1951 CJ3A in San Diego
« Reply #8 on: April 01, 2016, 07:39:52 PM »
 Yes these are very helpful, thank you.

The photo of the toolbox corner will really be helpful later.

I am also so interested in how the back of the step looks on yours

If  you are taking these pictures with a cell phone, the "selfie"mode works great for shooting the underside. :-)

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Re: 1951 CJ3A in San Diego
« Reply #9 on: April 01, 2016, 09:10:36 PM »
Yes, looking forward to the renovation/restoration..

It's great that you know the jeep's history....
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Re: 1951 CJ3A in San Diego
« Reply #10 on: April 01, 2016, 10:38:21 PM »
Is your radiator mounted on the grill or by 2 bolts through frame?

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Re: 1951 CJ3A in San Diego
« Reply #11 on: April 01, 2016, 11:00:25 PM »
JeepFever - I actually used the selfie camera on those last two.� ;D Unfortunately how it is sitting on the trailer there is only a few inches between the top of the trailer and the jeep bottom. I will try to get some more pictures for you tomorrow.

So as I mentioned, I ended up getting the tub off today with the help of my dad and a cherry picker. It was interesting and I am sure there are better ways to do it but it was a good time nonetheless. I ended up pulling the steering column and box as well as unbolting the transmission cross member and dropping the tranny down. And then took the transmission shifter off. I did all this because we had some height restrictions with it being in the shop with a low roof. After the tub was removed, I disconnected the driveshafts and exhaust. tranny is all disconnected and just needs to be picked out.

I was actually pretty surprised how easy all the nuts and bolts came undone, especially the exhaust stuff. I did pretreat most of them with 50/50 ATF acetone mix though so I am sure that helped.
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Re: 1951 CJ3A in San Diego
« Reply #12 on: April 01, 2016, 11:04:28 PM »
Little rust on the transmission gears... haven't looked too much into transmission stuff so I'll have to find out if they are salvageable or if it is just better to get new parts.
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Re: 1951 CJ3A in San Diego
« Reply #13 on: April 02, 2016, 12:39:31 AM »
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Is your radiator mounted on the grill or by 2 bolts through frame?

Tom - The radiator was already out when I got it, but my dad says it was mounted to the grill. Also it does have side flanges that appear to have mounting holes. He also seems to believe the radiator was actually replaced by my grandpa, which is easy to believe as the radiator cap does not appear to be original. I haven't done too much research on the radiators yet. Is there any significance to how the radiator was mounted? Here are some pictures of the radiator I have.
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Re: 1951 CJ3A in San Diego
« Reply #14 on: April 02, 2016, 12:42:54 AM »
No rush on the photos,  whenever convenient.

Wow . .  you are making great progress!