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Posted by: 1955CJ-5
« on: February 17, 2014, 07:41:05 PM »

It's beefy enough....I may have to break down and drill a hole....I hate to drill extra holes.. >:(
Posted by: ZekeD
« on: February 17, 2014, 12:02:05 PM »

That should do it!     Very pretty, too.

Zeke
Posted by: 1955CJ-5
« on: February 16, 2014, 08:55:59 PM »

It took a while, but I finally got the switch, now I need to find a place for it......

Posted by: ZekeD
« on: January 10, 2014, 03:09:48 PM »

Well 800A should cover it.... A little pricey but now that you have the model # perhaps you could trim some off of that.   Good Luck

Zeke
Posted by: ZekeD
« on: January 10, 2014, 11:42:22 AM »

Oops, sorry about the confusion.  Maybe too much beer?

For positive disconnect look at marine switches from West Marine . Com.     If you can handle the size a "Perko" switch is made for that.

Zeke
Posted by: Birddog7
« on: January 10, 2014, 11:19:57 AM »

FYI, On the 2A forum, a member Freddy is using a mechanical cut off switch. It's under " It was your entire fault " page 4. It has some really good pictures of how he installed it.
Posted by: 1955CJ-5
« on: January 10, 2014, 11:18:04 AM »

That is the location I was planning......my thought was to mount it through the firewall so the cables would still be in the engine compartment and the switch lever in the passenger compartment. .

But, maybe I could mount it on that dash brace...but then there would be longer cables to the switch and starter....

Posted by: johnrb3b
« on: January 10, 2014, 11:11:10 AM »

If it were me, I'd mount it above the passenger's left foot, clear of any heater and the air cleaner, high enough under the dash to be out of sight.
Shortest distance from battery to switch to starter.
Then size wouldn't matter.
Posted by: 1955CJ-5
« on: January 10, 2014, 10:34:16 AM »

Thanks Zeked....I understand what the relay does and thanks for the explaination!.....but my plan is to run all the power, ignition as well as the power to crank the starter through the disconnect switch...my 3a has no solenoid, it's a "kick start"..

I have a Lucas disconnect switch, Austin Healey used them and I have one on my MG...but it is 12 volt. At six volts the same number of watts draws twice the amps, so I'm pretty sure the switch won't handle it....

I may have to buy one of those big disconnect switches, or just forget about the whole thing....
Posted by: ZekeD
« on: January 09, 2014, 11:47:08 PM »

Oops, no Bosch link....
Posted by: ZekeD
« on: January 09, 2014, 11:42:36 PM »

Ok..  On an old Porsche, the starter was always a problem.  There is a Bosch wr-1 kit to relay the hot juice to the starter and not thru the key.  Like the willys....  Vw vans had the same problem.  From the 912 site
The idea here is to introduce a relay into the starting circuit to lessen the chances of your bus not starting when it's hot. Picture the path the current from the battery must take to start your bus: From the battery all the way up to the fuse box, through the ignition switch, and all the way back to the solenoid. You've got 20 yr old wires, dirty corroded connections, and a hot solenoid, ensuring that you definitely won't get enough juice to start the car. By adding a relay into the circuit, we are improving that electrical path.

Supplies needed: 1 Bosch WR-1 low-voltage relay kit. This is a relay made specifically for this purpose and comes with the wiring already made up with the right connectors. It also comes with a 15-amp fuse for the relay.

OK, here's what you do:

1) DISCONNECT THE BATTERY. Don't screw around with your starter with the battery connected. Death or serious injury follows when you accidentally short the connections and the starter cranks the bus which you left in gear and it promptly runs you over because you're laying right in front of the wheel.

2) You may want to jack up the bus a little, might help you reach. Look on your starter. You will see one of the post connectors, terminal 30, has a bunch of wires going to it, big fat ones. This post gives you your direct connection to the battery. Take the 13mm nut off the post and put the appropriate wire from the relay kit there. The relay kit comes with good instructions as to which wire is supposed to go where. This wire will have a push-on terminal on one end and a ring connector on the other.

3) Put the 13mm nut back on terminal 30, you're done there. Now, pull the wire from the ignition switch off of the solenoid. Fuel injected buses have two wires up there, the Idiot book has a nice picture of which one is ignition and which is fuel injection. I think the thicker one is ignition, but I won't swear to it. Anyway, take the ignition switch wire off and put it on the relay terminal for switch current. this is what will activate the relay.

4) Hook up the wire that goes from the relay to the ignition switch terminal on the solenoid (again referring to the relay instructions. This one will have a push-on connector on each end.

5) Mount the relay somewhere convenient. I mounted mine to one of the long screws that you find at the rear of the starter. Mount it with the terminals facing down so that water will have a place to go and not collect inside the relay.

6) Now you have to hook up one more wire, the ground. This one will have a ring connector on one end and a push-on on the other end. Ground it to any bare metal area within reach. I seem to recall grounding mine under the same starter screw that I mounted it with.

6) Check every now and then to make sure your connections stay corrosion free and all that.

The Bosch relay comes with a 15-amp blade-type fuse mounted to the relay. If you turn the key and nothing happens, check this fuse as you might have blown it. If the fuse is blown, that means your solenoid itself needs attention. The solenoid is sticking and is drawing much more current than it should be to get going. Do not replace the fuse with a higher amperage fuse. Bite the bullet and get the solenoid replaced. It's a good idea to also keep a couple of these blade-type 15-amp fuses as spares in the glovebox, since nowhere else on the Bus are blade-type fuses used.

OK, here's what you did. Picture the flow of the electricity now: You've taken the wire from the ignition switch that used to trip the solenoid off the solenoid and are now using that 12v signal to trip the relay. Even if there is a voltage drop you are still likely to have enough juice to trip the relay. Then you hooked up a wire to the big post on the starter, which is power directly from the battery about a foot away. Then you hooked another wire from the relay to the ignition switch terminal on the solenoid. Now instead of getting your power to the solenoid by way of Outer Mongolia, it's going directly from the battery to the solenoid, enabling you to get all the juice you need right to the solenoid. Now the ignition switch current only acts as a signal to tell the relay to send the power to the solenoid. As a side bonus this may help your ignition switch last longer as there will be much less electrical load on it.

OK, those are my instructions above. Now here are the instructions that come with the Bosch WR-1 kit. They were sent to me by Jeff Stewart and credit for the scans goes to Barry Burneskis. These should help clarify the process with the appropriate connections to the Bosch relay.
Posted by: 1955CJ-5
« on: January 08, 2014, 08:51:06 PM »

All the other holes are used...but I could re-route the harness or the temp gauge line....or drill a new hole.

I'll think of something.....there are remote switches that are operated by a push/pull rod....I'd just like it to be near the starter to keep the cable length to a minimum....
Posted by: garage gnome
« on: January 08, 2014, 08:00:23 PM »

Nope, nothing goes there. I think it was something for the 2As or MBs. I've seen something there but I can't remember what the heck it was.

Isn't there another hole further down that is unused too?
Posted by: garage gnome
« on: January 08, 2014, 07:57:10 PM »

My '49 had something there I think... I'll have to look through some pics.