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CJ-3A vs CJ-3B radiator
« on: April 29, 2025, 07:42:58 PM »
Ever since my dad an I bought my '52 3A, it has what i assume is a modified Aero radiator, and recently I've been wanting to replace it with a correct one, if i can get hold of one.
Now, last weekend, I've attended the 6Th National Willys meeting (more on that on a separate post, didn't take many pics) and 2 1951 3As caught my attention, because of their radiators, and one raised a doubt.
One, had a more squared upper tank, and was numbered 649638. The other, had a Harrison radiator identical to the one on my Dad's '53 3B, with a more rounded tank, and while i didn't take pictures of the part number, the one in Dad's 3B is 3126181.

My main questions are:
-Is there an "early" and "late" style of 3A radiator?
-Is the 3B radiator the same as (or at least compatible with)the 3A's? This would explain why that 3A and Dad's 3B have the same radiator.
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'59 CJ-5
'66 M520 (early BR army CJ-5)
'80 U-50 (late BR army CJ-5)
'71 F-85 (BR army Jeep truck)
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Re: CJ-3A vs CJ-3B radiator
« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2025, 06:41:57 PM »
In some of the very early '49 - 3A's, several parts could have been from 2A production that were left over and used.

The part number for the bottom mount radiator was either a 640146 or 640145 - with ring shroud.   If you have a side-mount, it should be 648451. My '49 has the bottom mount, but it's my understanding the side-mount was supposed to be the unit for 3As

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Re: CJ-3A vs CJ-3B radiator
« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2025, 09:00:54 PM »
I see an image of Eugene (1950) during the "reassembly" stage that shows its radiator and it does look similar to mine in a '54 3B:

https://www.cj3apage.com/index/My_1950/reassembly.htm

This database shows a change to side-mount in '49:

https://cj3a.info/tech/cjchange.htm


Some extra images of 3A's could help.

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Re: CJ-3A vs CJ-3B radiator
« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2025, 09:13:49 PM »
Oh, i totally forgot the bottom mounted radiators in my original post...

Well, i knew about them, my bad. My intention was to ask about side mounted radiators only.
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'48 CJ-2A (converted to column shift)
'52 CJ-3A
'53 CJ-3B
'59 CJ-5
'66 M520 (early BR army CJ-5)
'80 U-50 (late BR army CJ-5)
'71 F-85 (BR army Jeep truck)
'81 F-75 (BR civilian Jeep truck)

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Re: CJ-3A vs CJ-3B radiator
« Reply #4 on: May 01, 2025, 07:16:22 AM »
Not a great picture for the radiator, but it's a bottom mount for the '49 - 3A.

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Re: CJ-3A vs CJ-3B radiator
« Reply #5 on: May 01, 2025, 07:17:29 AM »
And the finished product...

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Re: CJ-3A vs CJ-3B radiator
« Reply #6 on: May 01, 2025, 07:47:46 AM »
That image that rcsteuer posted of his radiator shows a more angular ("Squared") top. 

Brjeeper, have you noted any tab on the front crossmember or holes in your shroud? 
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Re: CJ-3A vs CJ-3B radiator
« Reply #7 on: May 01, 2025, 08:41:57 AM »
rcsteuer... She sure is purty.  Nice work!.
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Re: CJ-3A vs CJ-3B radiator
« Reply #8 on: June 06, 2025, 07:02:50 PM »
So, finally, an update:
 1. Pulled the radiator and had it boiled again.
 2. Attempted to install a spacer between the fan blade and pump but the fan would've hit the top tank on radiator - so that was a no go.
 3. Added a bypass hose from rear of head to water pump, just because I could.  No heater to help dissipate any of the excess heat.
 4. Replaced the water pump even though the unit that was in it is only 2 years old.
 5. Replaced 165 thermostat with new one. The replaced unit was only 2 years old and after I pulled it, tested it and it started opening at around 150ish, so that wasn't the issue.
 
No difference in symptoms. Runs at around 180 under speeds of 45, or so. Then if approaching a hill of any length, the temp would quickly bounce to around 190 - 195 and start pinging (and losing power). Letting off or cresting the hill would result in the temp dropping almost immediately.

All that is to say I made no progress. Time for something completely different.

Because timing, fuel, etc. can all impact ping, and knowing I could not retard timing any more than already set, as I could sense a decrease in power.  So, the other option I'd not previously considered is the effect of increasing octane, as its effect is to retard the detonation of fuel. The question became whether to increase from a rating of 84 (with Ethanol) to 87 (with Ethanol) vs. 91 without Ethanol.  Filled the tank with 91 to also rule out the ethanol and glad to report I cannot get it to ping.  Temps still climb to nearly 200 while hitting hills, but no ping. So, as long as I can keep it from overheating, 91 octane is in my CJ's future.

For now, that's where I am.