Footman's loop locations

[macrisel]

Does anyone have any photos and/or dimensions of the footman's loops on the 3A tub?  I'm a little confused on what was original and what has been added by everyone.

As of right now, I'm leaning towards not putting the brackets on for a top on my Jeep.  My tub didn't come with them on there and I think I like the cleaner look with them off.  It is going to reside inside a garage when it is not being driven so I don't need to keep the weather off of it.  Still not sure about that........But, I definately want to put the loops on the wheel wells and on top of the tub.  I just don't know how many there should be, what size and where to put them.

Does the obsession ever end?

[jamesr]

If no one answered your question, I will take photos of my original 53 steel tub, and footman locations and email them to you. Jim

[macrisel]

Thanks, that would be great!  I don't really have to know the exact dimensions, I'm just trying to get a few pictures of where the loops should be.  My original wheel wells have several large rust spots and a LOT of holes in them and just don't know where anything should be.  I think there should also be some loops in the bed behind the seats, but I'm not sure.

Photos would be appreciated!

[calvinhunt]

I will take photos of my original 53 steel tub, and footman locations and email them to you. Jim

Hey Jim,
I've been watching this thread with interest. �How about posting your pics here?

macrisel
You mentioned that you may not be putting on a top. �I was told that the loops on the floor just behind the seats are for a canvas half top. They are there to secure back flap of the half top to the floor. �I'm curious to know if these loops were standard on all Jeeps coming down the assembly line or just for those that came with the optional half top. �

On my original tail gate there were four footman loops, but my Jeep came originally with a full canvas top which probably explains why they were there.

[mud pie]

You mentioned that you may not be putting on a top. �I was told that the loops on the floor just behind the seats are for a canvas half top. They are there to secure back flap of the half top to the floor. �I'm curious to know if these loops were standard on all Jeeps coming down the assembly line or just for those that came with the optional half top. �

On my original tail gate there were four footman loops, but my Jeep came originally with a full canvas top which probably explains why they were there.

My original body has the footman loops on the bed behind the seats, but they aren't the standard "bolt in" type like on the body; they are tack welded in slightly recessed areas.

[rocketeer]

Go to the CJ2A forum and download the PDF file in the thread. It will give you the measurements for the loops on the top lip of the tub and also the front panel of each rear wheel housing. The only difference between a 2A and a 3A is that on the 3A both sides are the same while on a 2A the left side is slightly different due to the top bows retaining strap.

http://www.thecj2apage.com/forums/footman-loop-locations_topic16182.html

Those are the tub locations. In addition there is one loop at the top center of the windshield and a matching loop at top center of the grille. Those 2 hold the windshield down when folded. There are 4 on the tailgate and 3 more on the rear floor. Total of 19 loops.

As far as I know, and maybe BobW can verify this either way, the discontinuance of factory installed loops started with CJ3B production, but I could be wrong.

Larry

[Bob W]

As far as I know, and maybe BobW can verify this either way, the discontinuance of factory installed loops started with CJ3B production, but I could be wrong.Larry

I really don't know much about CJ-3Bs but they are not all the same. Because they were the next model in the CJ progression, the early CJ-3Bs have many characteristics of a CJ-3A and the late 3Bs are more like CJ-5s.

When using CJ-2A dimensions remember that a CJ-3A front enclosure was longer than a CJ-2A enclosure due to the new seat location. Therefore the footman loops in bed are located more toward the rear on a 3A.

[calvinhunt]

Once again, this thread had been very informative. �That's what I enjoy so much about the 3A Page. Interesting questions, informative dialog, and great answers.

I'm pleased with the outcome of my "non-purist" original restoration, but I chose not to add the footman loops on the rim of the tub. Like macrisel said, I like the cleaner look. �So, in the uninformed crowd, I can still claim I have an original Jeep. �One doesn't have to be very informed to know there were no Detonator Yellow Jeeps in 1949.

[rocketeer]

When using CJ-2A dimensions remember that a CJ-3A front enclosure was longer than a CJ-2A enclosure due to the new seat location. Therefore the footman loops in bed are located more toward the rear on a 3A.

Bob, wouldn't that be evident by the recesses in the floor for the footman loops? I think the rear floor is the same for the 2A and 3A.

Larry

[Bob W]

Bob, wouldn't that be evident by the recesses in the floor for the footman loops? I think the rear floor is the same for the 2A and 3A.

The floor recesses are in a different location between a CJ-2A and CJ-3A.

The 1949 "Part List Jeep Models CJ-2A and 3A" is a great place to look when comparing body components. It is surprising how many of the body panels are different.

[jamesr]

With the 2A link of footman locations, my photos will not be required.  I am in the process of putting on my full sized "Best Top" and getting it to stretch far enough to snap the perimeter.  I have a portable heater in the cab to heat it enough to make it a little more pliable than the 15 degree weather we are having right now will allow.  I bought it about 1999, used it 3 months, then moved to AZ and stored it untill this week.  It is still like new, except a mouse ate a quarter size hole above the drivers head, that I hope vinyl patch will fix. ffI think I will have to wait untillnext week when this storm has passed and the sun comes out to help things out. It was 75 last week, (days) and 15 this week (night).  Geez, I hate the cold.  Jim

[rocketeer]

Bob, wouldn't that be evident by the recesses in the floor for the footman loops? I think the rear floor is the same for the 2A and 3A.

The floor recesses are in a different location between a CJ-2A and CJ-3A.

The 1949 "Part List Jeep Models CJ-2A and 3A" is a great place to look when comparing body components. It is surprising how many of the body panels are different.

I missed a little something in that post. It should read "I think the replacement rear floor is the same for the 2A and 3A." That's where the problem comes in. If you have a factory floor the recesses will tell you where the loops go but if the floor has been replaced, measurements will have to be taken. I think, but am not certain, that the currently available Phillipines rear floor is based on the CJ2A. Can't swear to it though. As for Jeep Panels Plus, I don't know.

Larry

[macrisel]

Awesome, thanks Larry!  That is exactly what I was looking for!  Sorry it took so long to get back to the thread, but this "work" is really interfering with my Jeep time!

Now I'm leaning back to putting the brackets for a top back on the corners of the tub.  While I don't want a top right now, who's to say I won't in 10 years?  One day I may take a trip out west to see some of you guys and need that top to keep the desert sun off of me    But seriously, I figure I should do it now while everything is in primer and not later after it is painted again.

Thanks everyone!

[macrisel]

Okay, I have another question.  This may seem kinda trivial, but I'll go ahead and ask.  Did the factory apply the loops and then paint the tub, loops and hardware all the same color?  Or, did they paint the tub one color then apply the loops and hardware?

I know, very small detail to worry about but I'm more curious than anything..

[Chasm]

When I restored and reinstalled all of my footman loops, I painted them black. I saved the original machine screws and nuts and matched them up at the local hardware store.

I was thinking about painting them the same color as the body, but then I didn't want to have to deal with chipping and touching up the yellow paint, since the straps and buckles have a tendancy to chip them. The black ones are easy to touch up with a little Rustoleum! �;)