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Offline Ryan_M

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'52 M38
« on: September 29, 2013, 06:49:39 PM »
It was beautiful here today so I popped the rear seat out of my 3A and headed out on a grocery shopping mission. On whim decided I'd take a slight detour to check on an M38 sitting out in the weeds a few miles from me. It's one I posted some pics of here awhile back - some of you may remember. It, of course, was still sitting there so I stopped to talk with the owner, who turns out to be a 90 year old WWII/Normandy/Paratrooper vet. I had previously met his wife but never the old fella himself. We ended up loading him, clad in bathrobe and slippers, into my Jeep for a quick ride around town. I'm pretty sure I had as much fun, if not more, than he did. Anyways, long story short, the M38 found its way onto the back of a flatbed and is now sitting in my garage. I never did get any groceries.

Below are a bunch of "Day 1" photos. I'm not sure what my intentions are at this point. I think I'd just like to fix the minimum so I can safely drive it (brakes, steering, etc) and then reassess. I'm pretty sure the motor is not original. The motor does turn by hand but there is no battery so I couldn't try to start it. The engine fluids are all full and look good. There is a new distributor cap and rotor (a good indication of recent work? or a bad sign that something much worse is wrong with it?) and it was last registered and driven in 2006. Aside from flushing the fuel system, adding fresh gas, and a new battery - is there anything else I should be too concerned with before I at least try to start it?�

The body and frame do have a fair amount of rust but I believe both are still pretty solid overall. I have yet to really climb underneath it though. The tires are newer and in good shape. The Willys hardtop still has the data tag on in and is complete with no broken glass. I'm hoping to at least spend some time cleaning it up this week and just get more familiar with it.





















































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Re: '52 M38
« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2013, 07:38:31 PM »
Oh Wow!� You have more luck driving that jeep of your's around, what with people putting free parts in the bed and all...

It's very cool that you gave the old fellow a ride.....he'll be talking about it for weeks...!

I see all the fording stuff is gone along with the 24 volt system..most take that stuff off anyway.

Put some Marvel Mystery oil in the cylinders and see if that doesn't free things up in a few days...and the clutch might be stuck also....

Keep the pictures coming...it's close enough to a 3a that I'm sure it will be allowed...!

And it looks like it has what I'm told is an Arctic top...with the straight windshield mounts....
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Re: '52 M38
« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2013, 10:25:22 PM »
Nice find.  I like finding them with hardtops installed.  It usually means the transmission wont be full of water!

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Re: '52 M38
« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2013, 08:21:40 AM »
Wow! Very nice.

I vote to change your avatar name for M.Lucky.
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Re: '52 M38
« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2013, 01:11:04 PM »
I've got a feeling that WW2 Vet cherished that jeep as much as any of us cherish ours. After meeting Ryan I'm sure he knew it was in good hands and about to see a better day. Lucky find but a bit of a responsibility goes with it.
Looking forward to this project....
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Re: '52 M38
« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2013, 01:45:53 PM »
I spent some time last night scraping layers of grime off Jeep. Now that I get a better look at it I realize the tub is much worse than I thought. There are numerous patch panels and lots of cracking bondo....and rust pretty much everywhere else. I think the wheel wells and tool box have been replaced at some point too....I think the guy even signed his work. Anyone ever hear of someone named "Bubba"? Although a little disheartening, I have no money into the Jeep (aside from the $20 I tipped the AAA guy for planting it right in my garage) so I'm still ahead.

The motor turns over strong but does not fire as there is no spark. I think the coil is bad and I picked up a replacement this morning (there goes another $19!). Once I get it running I will undoubtedly discover loads of other problems. If I do attempt to fix the tub - and it won't be anytime soon - I think it may be a good excuse to finally learn how to weld. I'd like to strip the whole thing down to the frame tonight and tear through it but from a financial standpoint I need to reign in my enthusiasm a bit on this project.

I'm still just psyched to have this thing and will be even happier if I can at least get it to a point where I can drive around the yard.

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Re: '52 M38
« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2013, 02:56:00 PM »
OOOH, SNAP!!!  You dog!!  I remember drooling over this the first time you spotted it.  Now you have a summer driver and a winter driver!  It's Karma...You're one of those good guys.  Good things happen to good folks!  Congratulations.

He gave it to you? Man!

The engine head is WWII or VEC 2A. The radiator might be also.  Have you found a serial # yet?  What is the block casting #?  What's the delivery date?

I'm jealous, but extremely happy for you. 

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Re: '52 M38
« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2013, 03:09:02 PM »
Tim - If it would subdue those jealous feelings at all I'll gladly let you come up and work your magic on the rotted tub. It's an ATHAWK special if ever there was one.

And since you asked:

SN : 62101

DoD: 4/52

Data plate on rear wheel well: missing

Engine # on water pump boss: MC84560

Number on head: 639660C

Block casting number: 641087-L-W12A N1-CR-N2 (some characters are tough to read. "C" may be a "G" etc).

Not sure how a WWII head found its way onto an M38 motor but who knows. As we are all aware almost anything is possible with these old beasts.

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Re: '52 M38
« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2013, 08:27:24 PM »
Nice fine and when you see the WWII Vet again, thank him for me.  You got something special in that meeting that make this a one-of-a-kind Jeep. ;)

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Re: '52 M38
« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2013, 08:30:15 PM »
I hope nobody objects to me posting the M38 progress here. I think it's close enough to a 3A to almost count and this page will always be my home base for all things Willys. If anyone gets too cranky the thread can be moved to the "Other Projects" category.

Tonight I installed the new coil and replaced the points. The existing points looked fairly decent but I had another brand new set on the work bench so I threw them in. I took the top off the Solex and cleaned it up as best I could.

I ran a new fuel line from the fuel pump to a plastic jerry can and ran fuel through the pump and into a water bottle to flush out what was sitting in there. After a little fiddling around I managed to get the old girl to start. Surprisingly, it quickly settled into a nice idle and sounds good when revved. Aftermarket oil pressure gauge reads nearly 60 psi. Temp gauge is broken so I'll need to do something about that.

Of course, I had to attempt a test drive - in the dark with no lights except for instrument panel lighting so I could continually confirm that my temp gauge was still broken.

I made it through reverse, first and second gear but did not attempt third. The brake pedal was stuck hard and when I mashed on it (in a half panic after almost shifting to third and then remembering I had no brakes and that the edge of the lake was fast approaching) it finally gave but never released. The brakes noticeably engaged and stayed there. I limped it back to the garage knowing that I'll need to attack the brakes before doing much else. Regardless, I am thrilled I got it running tonight.

Here's a link to the first start video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJchrOEkiIQ&feature=youtu.be
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Re: '52 M38
« Reply #10 on: October 01, 2013, 08:59:31 PM »
Awesome!� We have a runner!

I would be highly disappointed if you moved this thread to a different web site.� An M-38 is just the younger sibling to our 3A's.� It's family.� You don't kick family to the curb ;)

Speaking of kicking to the curb...Did your wife lose her parking space in the garage? ;D

Thanks for the numbers.� That is a real nice find.� Even more so now that it's running.

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Re: '52 M38
« Reply #11 on: October 01, 2013, 09:03:35 PM »
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Speaking of kicking to the curb...Did your wife lose her parking space in the garage? ;D

I wish I had filmed her initial reaction when she came home from work that night and saw the M38 in "her" parking spot...it would have made for much more entertaining video than a lousy Go Devil coming to life for the first time in years. Let's just say we're still working out the wintertime parking logistics...
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Re: '52 M38
« Reply #12 on: October 01, 2013, 09:07:14 PM »
Pretty neat to find a Jeep that's been sitting in a field for God knows how long and get it running just two days later.  Nice job!

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Re: '52 M38
« Reply #13 on: October 01, 2013, 09:36:22 PM »
Bet you felt as good as I did after my Supersonic came to life.  Thanks for the starter.  I just haven't driven mine.  I got a nice 5.5 acre field and no lakes. LOL

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Re: '52 M38
« Reply #14 on: October 02, 2013, 09:43:08 AM »
I agree with Tim.
The M-38 is a sibling - it's family.
Don't even think of taking it away from here.
Though I suppose you should at least let the military boys know you've got it. They'll have lots of info and advice for you.
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past Jeeps ---> '54 3B - no tub --- '59 3B - no engine
past addiction - VW ---> '69 bus --- '70 camper