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Offline Joe Loehle

1949 CJ3A on the Georgia Coast
« on: August 06, 2019, 09:55:36 PM »
The CJ3A arrived a couple of weeks ago now from Minnesota. Trucked down from my Father-in-Law. Here it is in all its glory.

I've been really inspired by 1955-CJ5's restoration project and I find myself in a similar boat with less work to do then him, but also less skill! I have a LOT to learn so feel free to tell me if I am doing something dumb.










Not too bad looking, but lots of weird stuff, too. The paint is a brown color that looks in many places as if it was brushed on.

There is rust in the floor boards under the front seats. It is pretty bad and affects the channels underneath and even some mounting points to the tub. There are riveted-in patch panels on top, but you can see it from the bottom.









There are lots of non-factory things on there, too.






The spare tire mount was in the wrong place. With no backing it was ripping the sheet metal.




Lots of weird patches in the sheet metal.





The engine looks like this.








Here is the original paint color which I assume is Potomac Gray. It is under where the regulator used to be, I believe.



My plan is a full restoration to the level that I can. It is in good running condition. Starts fairly easily. Stopping is not as good. It stops, but not very quickly. I'll start there on the next post.

Thanks,

Joe
« Last Edit: August 07, 2019, 07:09:30 AM by jloehle »
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Offline Joe Loehle

Re: 1949 CJ3A on the Georgia Coast
« Reply #1 on: August 06, 2019, 09:59:43 PM »
Why are all the photos upside down?

Edit: Fixed it.
« Last Edit: August 07, 2019, 07:09:56 AM by jloehle »
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Re: 1949 CJ3A on the Georgia Coast
« Reply #2 on: August 06, 2019, 10:13:06 PM »
That happens with phone pics...sorry I don't know how to fix it....

But great pictures and the jeep looks to be in good condition...!

Excellent starting point...!

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Offline 67galaxie

Re: 1949 CJ3A on the Georgia Coast
« Reply #3 on: August 07, 2019, 04:56:50 PM »
You are going to love it! Have fun and enjoy yourself with the new project. I'm on the bottom of the state if you ever get over this way

Offline stony

Re: 1949 CJ3A on the Georgia Coast
« Reply #4 on: August 07, 2019, 11:30:37 PM »
Do you have a serial number?� It looks like the plate is missing.� It should be fairly low, it has a bottom mount radiator (the top radiator braces tells that) as the early 3As.� With that engine number, probably not the original.  The paint looks about the same as mine, which I am pretty sure is Pickett gray.� It is supposed to be Potomac gray buy I think some of the early 3As got Pickett.� Oh yeah you need a windshield vent stop, PM me when you want one.� Looks goos :)
« Last Edit: August 07, 2019, 11:32:41 PM by stonyloam »
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Offline Joe Loehle

Re: 1949 CJ3A on the Georgia Coast
« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2019, 07:07:17 AM »
Stony,

The serial tag is gone. But it has titles that have been passed down with a serial of 3J125XX.

What time period would the engine be?

I wondered about the different Grays. I've always thought the Picket Gray looked way darker than this. The Potomac Gray looks maybe a bit lighter?

I may have to buy a chip sheet to figure it out.

I do need that piece!

67galaxie,

I go to Rifle Matches on the western side of the state. I either go through Tifton and Albany or the southern route through Valdosta. I won't be taking the CJ though!

Joe

PS Please tell me anything else you see on this that is good/bad/weird/etc.
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Re: 1949 CJ3A on the Georgia Coast
« Reply #6 on: August 08, 2019, 08:57:25 AM »
The 3J125XX number on your title was likely the original Engine Serial Number.  Some states used this number to title vehicles.  In your case, this is exactly why that approach was flawed.  One engine swap and the title process becomes more difficult.  (I would get a new data plate and have it stamped with the number that matches the title.)

The title number (original engine number which is now gone) on your 3A is early, so a 1949.  Another indication is it also has an earlier style passenger front fender.

Without the original data plate, it will be nearly impossible to know its exact original serial number.

The J prefix on your existing engine suggests it was originally installed in a CJ2A.

Aside from some sloppy welds, it's a cool old 3A.  Congratulations!


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Offline Joe Loehle

Re: 1949 CJ3A on the Georgia Coast
« Reply #7 on: August 08, 2019, 09:09:29 AM »
athawk11,

Thanks for the info. I wondered about that engine #, but thought putting an older engine in wouldn't make sense.

Is there anything else about the engine other than the # on it that would make it not the right type for this year?

Joe
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Re: 1949 CJ3A on the Georgia Coast
« Reply #8 on: August 08, 2019, 11:56:30 AM »
Hi Joe,
Besides some more modern bolt-ons, the engine is precisely what you hope for when you open the hood for the first time. 

Don't get too hung up on that. (non-original engine to this Willys)  If we did a pole here, I would bet that 65-75% of the represented 3As don't have their original engine.  I have 2-3As and 1-2A.  None have their original engine.
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Re: 1949 CJ3A on the Georgia Coast
« Reply #9 on: August 08, 2019, 12:38:00 PM »
Just out of curiosity, if it is an early 3A and has the left-over paint color... Would they ever use one of the older engines? The only difference is the engine number?

Joe
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Re: 1949 CJ3A on the Georgia Coast
« Reply #10 on: August 08, 2019, 02:13:24 PM »
Old red paint on an engine usually means it was a rebuild. No telling what year it is.
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Re: 1949 CJ3A on the Georgia Coast
« Reply #11 on: August 08, 2019, 02:13:48 PM »
Willys may have done things like this during the transition from the 2A to the 3A on certain components, but they were pretty specific in their practices with the engines.

 They were consistently stamped with the leading prefix (J, 3J, 4T, 4LR, MC, etc) to which style vehicle they were going to be put in.  The number portion of the serial # stayed very sequential too.  In other words, the smaller the number, the earlier the engine.

If there was a �J� engine installed in a 3A during the change from CJ2A to CJ3A, then I would expect the digital part of the serial number to be much higher than the number is on your engine.  Something like �J23XXXX�

Based on the data page at the 2A Forum, your engine was most likely installed in a 1947 CJ2A.  2 Years earlier than the start of 3A production.
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Offline Joe Loehle

Re: 1949 CJ3A on the Georgia Coast
« Reply #12 on: August 08, 2019, 03:40:29 PM »
Thanks for the info. That all makes sense to me. Especially after looking at the Serial number numbering. I believe you are right about them grabbing the only number they could see. 

My Father-in-law just told me:  "I knew the engine had been overhauled and had a new water pump."

Joe
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Offline stony

Re: 1949 CJ3A on the Georgia Coast
« Reply #13 on: August 08, 2019, 06:44:24 PM »
Looks great!  Couple of comments, looks like it has been converted to 12v, it has the original CJ3A foot plunger starter.  You have a resistor in the ignition circuit, and it looks to be properly bypassed from the starter  (red wire from the starter to coil), so you have a 1.5 Ohm coil (needs resistor).  Whoever did it , did it right.  Have fun!
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On preservation vs. restoration:Roscoe Lee Brown "the Cowboys" when he met the whores on the trail:"Well, I have the inclination, but not the time.

Offline Joe Loehle

Re: 1949 CJ3A on the Georgia Coast
« Reply #14 on: August 08, 2019, 07:02:24 PM »
Terry,

I will certainly need to analyze that and learn more about what you just said!

Thanks for the info.

Joe
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