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Offline ZekeD

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Trailer differences. WTK
« on: February 20, 2014, 11:12:03 AM »
Is there a huge difference between a M100 and say a M416 trailer?  I want a gear hauler for my '49 3A.

And who came up with "Lunette" for "TOW RING"?
This ain't a French thing is it?

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Re: Trailer differences. WTK
« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2014, 11:38:53 AM »
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Re: Trailer differences. WTK
« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2014, 11:47:49 AM »
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Is there a huge difference between a M100 and say a M416 trailer?� I want a gear hauler for my '49 3A.

And who came up with "Lunette" for "TOW RING"?
This ain't a French thing is it?

Zeke

Main differences are the squared off looking fenders, possibly some brake changes and hub changes to use the 151 style wheels on it. I think but am not sure,that the 2A/3A/3B/ CJ5 rims bolt up but the offset is going to be different... Later 416 trailers have more changes in the brake system.
I remember later tubs as being bolted to the chassis but you know what they say about the memory.

Best part about a 416 is that they are newer and usually lest rotted, and some were barely used before surplused.

Great trailers if you can find a good one. Put round fenders on it and tell everyone it is a M 100....most won't know.

Lunette does sound French, now that you think of it. They sure do work well off road, a bit noisy but you can get into some crazy angles with one.
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Re: Trailer differences. WTK
« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2014, 10:14:06 PM »
Lunette comes from wagons. I believe the lunette was on end of the stave pole. I was in antique shop before Christmas and owner had a table of free stuff if you identify, I got the lunette. I would post a photo but I have equipment down. If your want to see, send me a PM and I can send pic from iPhone.

...and French sounds correct.

...stave pole equates to trailer tonque
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Re: Trailer differences. WTK
« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2014, 07:47:37 AM »
Lunette is a french word. It used for a lot of things; like sun glasses , or on a toilet the ring where you sit on, or the rear windows of a car, it's mainly a ring with a hole who has a purpose. On sun glasses it hold  the glass. On the toilet...well...

Google it !
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Re: Trailer differences. WTK
« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2014, 10:57:40 AM »
Ok, so how would you put that into a sentence?
"I'm sitting on my Lunette looking through my Lunette  out the Lunette of my car"?

I guess that this suggests that you have a porta-potty in the backseat. ;D
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Re: Trailer differences. WTK
« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2014, 03:26:59 PM »
The track is main difference on the M416(it is wider). Bear in mind none of the military trailer had tailgates so you can find one that has been cut and at least you didn't do it, or get one and cut it and face some heat for that. Look for the civvy TC-3's as they had the tailgate and also did away with parking brake and shocks which is less stuff to maintain. Fair amount of them out there from wrecks to beautiful restored ones.
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Re: Trailer differences. WTK
« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2014, 01:00:39 PM »
All true, BUT, to correct  FBill , you cannot bolt a standard jeep wheel on a 416 hub, A 416/M151 wheel is whats called a "Pilot Wheel", a standard Jeep wheel is centered on the hub by the tapered lug nuts, A 416 wheel is centered by the hole in the middle of the wheel and the Hub of the trailer, and the studs on the hub are much smaller, like 3/8" and uses a flat faced nut, that being said, there is nothing to center a standard jeep wheel on the 416 hub!. You can use a 416/151 wheel on the jeep, I for safety reasons would not recommend it but people do. so all that, and you will need a 416 wheel for a spare for the trailer. I have 3 416's, great trailers.

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Re: Trailer differences. WTK
« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2014, 09:29:42 AM »
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All true, BUT, to correct� FBill , you cannot bolt a standard jeep wheel on a 416 hub, A 416/M151 wheel is whats called a "Pilot Wheel", a standard Jeep wheel is centered on the hub by the tapered lug nuts, A 416 wheel is centered by the hole in the middle of the wheel and the Hub of the trailer, and the studs on the hub are much smaller, like 3/8" and uses a flat faced nut, that being said, there is nothing to center a standard jeep wheel on the 416 hub!.
Lee ;)

What is to stop Bubba from using tapered lug nuts that fit the 416 studs, or will that stress the studs too much?

Will the jeep front hubs fit the 416 axle like they do on the earlier trailers??

Just asking, I forgot about the hubcentric/lugcentric wheel thing...might have something to do with the 151 project being under the same tarp for almost 5 years..

I'm glad we have Lee to correct my oopsies... :D
And agreed the 416 is a heck  of a trailer if you can find one reasonably... You still see them being used by local highway departments, etc..
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Re: Trailer differences. WTK
« Reply #9 on: February 23, 2014, 03:49:44 PM »
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All true, BUT, to correct� FBill , you cannot bolt a standard jeep wheel on a 416 hub, A 416/M151 wheel is whats called a "Pilot Wheel", a standard Jeep wheel is centered on the hub by the tapered lug nuts, A 416 wheel is centered by the hole in the middle of the wheel and the Hub of the trailer, and the studs on the hub are much smaller, like 3/8" and uses a flat faced nut, that being said, there is nothing to center a standard jeep wheel on the 416 hub!.
Lee ;)

What is to stop Bubba from using tapered lug nuts that fit the 416 studs, or will that stress the studs too much?

Will the jeep front hubs fit the 416 axle like they do on the earlier trailers??

Just asking, I forgot about the hubcentric/lugcentric wheel thing...might have something to do with the 151 project being under the same tarp for almost 5 years..

I'm glad we have Lee to correct my oopsies... :D
And agreed the 416 is a heck� of a trailer if you can find one reasonably... You still see them being used by local highway departments, etc..

Bill, no oopsi, I may not have worded it correctly, as you did say "I think but I am not sure", so you did not give improper info just doubt. My bad ;)

As far as finding tapered lug nuts for the 416 hub, I have never seen any and I believe it would be a huge safety no no, keep in mind the 416 stud was just engineered to hold the rim against the pilot that carries the load of the trailer, and is only like 3/8" verses the 1/2" of the standard jeep hub, yes you can make it work if needed and I have as a temp. fix. I do believe the mbt/m100/t3c hub would fit the 416  axel, BUT if you made the switch I am not sure the tire would be under the fender, due to the different offsets of the rims ???????, if winter ever ends here I will do a story on all of this and post here, I do believe there is a huge safety issue using 151/416 rims on a standard Jeep and it needs to be discussed.

Keep warm, Lee ;)
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Re: Trailer differences. WTK
« Reply #10 on: February 23, 2014, 05:43:49 PM »

[/quote] I do believe there is a huge safety issue using 151/416 rims on a standard Jeep and it needs to be discussed.

Keep warm, Lee ;)[/quote]


Agreed 100 percent. Looking forward to your posting.
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