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"Original"-- Technical Questions, Answers, Observations / Re: Key started, late version of a CJ 3A, february 1953

« on: September 18, 2020, 02:26:08 AM »

Would someone want to sell me his Auto-Lite MCH 6203 nose-starter with the solenoid mounted on top of it for my late, key started CJ 3A (1953)? In Holland it cannot be found.

Thanks

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"Original"-- Technical Questions, Answers, Observations / Re: Key started, late version of a CJ 3A, february 1953

« on: September 17, 2020, 12:34:47 PM »

Thanks Bob,

I bought a Bell House today 802929 (late CJ3A, earlyCJ 3B) from an American supplier. I have also found a NOS Rear Engine Backing plate G740 G758 (S56), 2805-040=1874, late M38/M38A1.

I assume this plate also will work with Bell House 802929. The mounting holes match. I don't know what the parts listing numbers are of the rear engine mounting plate for bell house 802929, late version CJ3A.

Thank you very much for your answer.

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"Original"-- Technical Questions, Answers, Observations / Re: Key started, late version of a CJ 3A, february 1953

« on: September 16, 2020, 05:43:53 AM »

"Wesk" on "willysmjeeps.com" tells that the early M38 bellhousing also was used on CJ2A and CJ3A and the late M38 Bellhousing also on a CJ3B.
Only the late M38 uses a large frame starter. The early one has a bushing (bearing) and uses a small frame starter.

The Auto-Lite nose- starter MCH 6203 for my key started CJ3A has itself a bushing (bearing), so the late M38 Bellhousing could also be suitable for the MCH 6203 starter?? But I prefer a correct late CJ3A Bellhousing if these were made by Willys-Overland at the time. I don't know yet if that is the case.   

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"Original"-- Technical Questions, Answers, Observations / Re: Key started, late version of a CJ 3A, february 1953

« on: September 16, 2020, 04:37:51 AM »

Thank you all for your help and answers.

If I can buy the original starter Auto-Lite MCH 6203 with the solenoid mounted on top of it, which Bell house and adapter is the correct and right one for my Jeep. I have to complete the restoration with the correct starter, bell housing and adapter plate.
Who can I buy this right Auto-Lite starter and other parts from?

The Jeep now also has a civilian capstan winch, a harrison heater and a pto!

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"Original"-- Technical Questions, Answers, Observations / Re: Key started, late version of a CJ 3A, february 1953

« on: September 15, 2020, 03:46:37 PM »

Thanks Bob W for your answer.

The late CJ-3A starter is not shown in the "CJ3A.info/tech/starter. Just tyhe earle and the mid arrangement (Mid 1950). Perhaps in your new book?

Is it possible that in a late, key started  CJ 3 (1953) early CJ 3B parts are used?

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"Original"-- Technical Questions, Answers, Observations / Re: Key started, late version of a CJ 3A, february 1953

« on: September 15, 2020, 03:21:18 PM »

Thanks Dinesh for your answer.

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"Original"-- Technical Questions, Answers, Observations / Key started, late version of a CJ 3A, february 1953

« on: September 14, 2020, 08:50:49 AM »

Greetings to all,

May I ask you a few questions about a late CJ 3A.
 
I have a late, key started CJ3A, delivered in Holland in february 1953. It never had a floor (pedal) start. I bought it a few years back with an engine block casting number 641087 series 1. It cracked. I now have engine block series 4 with a re-inforced rear flange similar to the engine block with the casting number 804380.
The bell housing is the one of an early CJ2A/WW II bell. The starter is an Auto-Lite MZ 4113 (MB/early CJ 2A) and the generator is an Auto-lite GW 4801-D (early CJ 3B). The re-inforced flange of the engine partially covers the timing mark hole of the early adapter plate. I have a flywheel with a 97 tooth gear.

I want to complete the full restoration of my late, key started CJ 3A as originally as possible. That is very difficult in Holland. Everybody knows about a MB but there is very little knowledge about a CJ Jeep and very few CJ-parts are available.

For the restoration I need information about the following (correct) four parts that must stay together:
1. Bell Housing, 2. Adapter Plate , 3. Starter, 4. Flywheel.

Question: what parts did Willys-Overland use in late 1952/early 1953 for the late and key started version of the CJ 3A? The same parts as used for the (early or) late M38 or early CJ 3B?

Bell Housing: The MB/early CJ 2A Bell housing is with bushing and too small for a nose-starter. Is a early or late military M38 Bell Housing (also used on the CJ 3B) the correct part or another Bell Housing specially made for the late and key started version of the CJ 3A?

Adapter plate: Is a military M38 adapter plate the correct one or did Willys-Overland made a special version of the plate for the late, key started CJ 3A?

Starter: I understand that the late and key started CJ 3A had a nose-charter, Auto-Lite MCH 6203, 6 volt (or a 6 volt Prestolite 46-15 MCH 6207???). Question: Both, the Auto-Lite MCH 6203 and the Prestolite MCH 6207 needs a solenoid. Was it originally mounted on top of the starter as I see on some photos on the Web?

Flywheel: In combination with a MCH 6203 nose-starter I need a 129 in stead of a 124 or 97 tooth Gear. Question: where are all types of the flywheel suitable for a MCH 6203 or a Prestolite 6207 starter or just the 129 tooth gear?

Finally
Was in combination with the MCH 6203 starter an Auto-Lite GW 4801 generator, as I now have, originally used for a key started CJ 3A?

The early 3A version of the starter is the Auto-Lite MZ4137 (foot pedal). I found on the Web an Auto-lite MZ4173T 9K 6 volt starter with a solenoid mounted on top of it (NOS). Is that also a correct starter for an early or late  CJ (2A or 3A)?

If possible, can you attache some pictures?

I thank you very much for your answers.