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Title: MDJuan Tubs - the official feedback thread
Post by: Rommel_Juan on February 17, 2013, 09:54:54 AM: Hi Guys,

Can we use this thread to discuss your experiences with MDJuan tubs? Good or bad :)

And maybe show pictures. And discuss how we can improve our tubs.

Best,
Rommel
Title: Re: MDJuan Tubs
Post by: CJPilot on February 17, 2013, 11:11:14 AM: Iï¿½ll start by saying I applaud your willingness to make your product better. ï¿½You have a chance to make it better and in doing so you will sell more product.

A post on the 2A page ï¿½ http://www.thecj2apage.com/forums/md-juan-body-faults_topic26386.html

my post ï¿½ ï¿½ http://cj3apage.com/forum-yabb/YaBB.pl?num=1356748416

Why donï¿½t you try putting one of your repo kits onto a frame and see for yourself? ï¿½It would be ï¿½the best way to learn about the problems.

Steve
Title: Re: MDJuan Tubs
Post by: johnrb3b on February 19, 2013, 09:19:57 AM: OK, we've done some pruning of this thread.
Let's try to keep it as compact as possible. Keep posts on topic and full of detail. :)

When you post, be specific about what didn't fit - give measurements and include pictures if you can.
Be sure to include what year you bought your tub. Rommel will need to know that as there have been changes over the years. Of course recent purchases are most useful as they more closely reflect what's leaving the factory now.

Of particular interest are the areas where the tub meets original parts - tub-to-frame mounts, windshield, hood, fenders and especially the transmission hole in the floor.

The more detailed your evaluations, the more useful it will be to Rommel.
Title: Re: MDJuan Tubs
Post by: Rommel_Juan on February 20, 2013, 07:01:54 AM: here's the info I wanted to share:

(http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa90/romski123/CJ3Acopy.jpg)
Title: Re: MDJuan Tubs - the official feedback thread
Post by: F Bill on February 23, 2013, 10:06:04 AM: Rommel if you'd like to share the fender details you have changed that would be fine. It is good news to those who have been waiting for correct fenders. It also answers why the repro fenders I had were looking like M38 fenders to me. ( i bought an aborted 3A project a while back with an older repro tub, hood, and fenders included..)

That older tub had severe rusting issues with the floor. I will ahve to get you a measurement of the thickness and a picture of the tub ID number, now I know where to find it. It was sold to me as a new replacement tub but the seller and i had a different definition of what NEW meant. It had already been assembled into a jeep, and he ahd taken the jeep apart , gave up on it, and sold it to me. As I have time to rebuild the tub I will let you know the isues I find if that is of any value to you with an older one...

Have the fenders gotten any heavier than they were back then?
Title: Re: MDJuan Tubs - the official feedback thread
Post by: Rommel_Juan on February 23, 2013, 08:32:22 PM: I'm also happy to announce that we have implemented this improvement on our CJ3a Fenders! It will be available for order from Ron Fitzpatrick or Daryl Bensinger on their container leaving on Feb 27!

(http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa90/romski123/cj2a%20fender%20vs%20cj3a/Slide5.jpg)

(http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa90/romski123/cj2a%20fender%20vs%20cj3a/Slide4.jpg)

(http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa90/romski123/cj2a%20fender%20vs%20cj3a/Slide3.jpg)

(http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa90/romski123/cj2a%20fender%20vs%20cj3a/Slide2.jpg)

(http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa90/romski123/cj2a%20fender%20vs%20cj3a/Slide1.jpg)
Title: Re: MDJuan Tubs - the official feedback thread
Post by: macrisel on February 28, 2013, 09:20:03 PM: Mr. Juan,
I have found in issue with a reproduction windshield. The bottom and top lips that hold the windshield glass in are not formed correctly. Instead of sticking straight out, the lips point inward. there is no way for the gasket and glass to fit in the windshield.

(http://i785.photobucket.com/albums/yy138/macrisel/Image0253_zps3cb6b543.jpg)

Here is a photo of the gasket installed..
(http://i785.photobucket.com/albums/yy138/macrisel/Image0254_zps262db630.jpg)

I'm going to try and bend the lip up, but I'm not sure there is enough metal there. Also, I'm sure I will crack my new paint doing this..

My body kit was bought in November 2010
Title: Re: MDJuan Tubs - the official feedback thread
Post by: Rommel_Juan on February 28, 2013, 10:59:18 PM: thanks for this comment. Will have it investigated asap.

Rommel
Title: Re: MDJuan Tubs - the official feedback thread
Post by: Rommel_Juan on March 07, 2013, 05:10:10 AM: (http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa90/romski123/PIBMI1306CJ2A3A3BCaptiveNutforFootrest.jpg)
Title: Re: MDJuan Tubs - the official feedback thread
Post by: athawk11 on March 15, 2013, 01:27:12 PM: This may be a mis-directed question for Rommel, but I thought I would ask...

Because of your efforts to hear directly from the purchasers of your product, and your desire to make a better product, I am seriously considering the purchase of a new 3A tub.

I would prefer to get one that has the most recent 'improvements'. If you know, and would share, which of the U.S. distributors tend to turn there stock the fastest? Just trying to gage how long I should wait.

Tim
Title: Re: MDJuan Tubs - the official feedback thread
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on March 15, 2013, 05:13:58 PM: Quote
This may be a mis-directed question for Rommel, but I thought I would ask...

Because of your efforts to hear directly from the purchasers of your product, and your desire to make a better product, I am seriously considering the purchase of a new 3A tub.

I would prefer to get one that has the most recent 'improvements'. If you know, and would share, which of the U.S. distributors tend to turn there stock the fastest? ï¿½Just trying to gage how long I should wait.

Tim

I've been going to ask him the same thing.....I know Ron Fitzpatrick orders a container about every four months....that should be enough lead time. Ron's last container shipped around Feb 27th...

Randy
Title: Re: MDJuan Tubs - the official feedback thread
Post by: Rommel_Juan on March 15, 2013, 08:30:58 PM: it's not mis-directed at all :)

Yes you may call Ron Fitzpatrick. He plans to bring in a container 8 weeks from now. So you are sure that he'll have the latest tubs.

I'll send him a copy of this thread and maybe he can get in touch with you ï¿½;)

Rommel
Title: Re: MDJuan Tubs - the official feedback thread
Post by: Rommel_Juan on March 18, 2013, 07:44:05 PM: we are now adjusting the dies to correct the cj3a/3b wheel well indents. And of course retain the correct cj2a indents :)

(http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa90/romski123/803871_10151369842298602_1992883758_n.jpg) :D ;)
Title: Re: MDJuan Tubs - the official feedback thread
Post by: athawk11 on March 18, 2013, 08:11:06 PM: That's great. You're going to get these things to a point where you won't be able to tell it's a repro.

I really want to commend your efforts. In this day and age of 'focus groups' and big wigs sitting around a conference table, you just don't see a manufacturer go straight to the purchaser to ask how to improve a product. This is how it should be done!!

Thank you, thank you, thank you!

Tim
Title: Re: MDJuan Tubs - the official feedback thread
Post by: garage gnome on March 18, 2013, 08:14:33 PM: Tim couldn't have said it better! I really like how you stepped up to the plate to make a better product. If you can make these tubs just like the originals, that would be super! Then I would have to redo the body kit on my '53 the next time I paint it. ;D
Title: Re: MDJuan Tubs - the official feedback thread
Post by: F Bill on March 18, 2013, 08:15:14 PM: Hi Rommel...I'm just curious what the brown stuff is all over your press dies.....I thought they would be mirror shiny steel....??

So that is the first step, pressing in the ribs, and maybe the upturn at the outer edge? then you fold the other fold for the front of the wheelhouse?

Just trying to understand how those big presses work. It is fascinating for a guy who is used to a leaf brake and a bead roller. :)
Title: Re: MDJuan Tubs - the official feedback thread
Post by: F Bill on March 18, 2013, 08:16:28 PM: Quote
Tim couldn't have said it better! I really like how you stepped up to the plate to make a better product. If you can make these tubs just like the originals, that would be super! Then I would have to redo the body kit on my '53 the next time I paint it. ï¿½;D

Dibs on the old tub.......
Title: Re: MDJuan Tubs - the official feedback thread
Post by: garage gnome on March 18, 2013, 08:19:41 PM: For what project?

I doubt I'll ever change it. I put too much time in it. Maybe I will. Never know what will happen down the road... I'm not making sense, am I? ;D
Title: Re: MDJuan Tubs - the official feedback thread
Post by: macrisel on March 19, 2013, 11:12:18 AM: Rommell,
Any updates on the windshield issue mentioned earlier in the thread?
Title: Re: MDJuan Tubs - the official feedback thread
Post by: Rommel_Juan on March 19, 2013, 11:17:30 AM: Quote
Rommell,
Any updates on the windshield issue mentioned earlier in the thread?

yes, I'd like to verify that we did see that problem. The dies needed adjusting. I sincerely thank you for pointing out that problem. The reason I took so long to address that issue is because I'm trying to make correction instructions. You would just need to hand hammer it in. I will still try to send some pics of that.
Title: Re: MDJuan Tubs - the official feedback thread
Post by: macrisel on March 19, 2013, 11:30:40 AM: That is great news to hear. I believe I have bent mine up to the point it needs to be at using pliers and a hammer. Unfortutely, the bending was too much for the new paint. I bent it about 35-40 degrees with no issues, but the last 10 degrees was just too much and the paint finally chipped and cracked. I am in the process of stripping the frame back down and will repaint it.

Thank you for addressing this issue along with all the others! It is absolutely outstanding to see a company strive to improve their product and I applaude your efforts!

Any updates on correcting the location of the transmission opening?
Title: Re: MDJuan Tubs - the official feedback thread
Post by: Rommel_Juan on March 22, 2013, 09:07:08 AM: Hi Guys,

A lot of people have asked for information about our primer paint.

Here it is:

(http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa90/romski123/primer%20paint/Slide1-2.jpg)

(http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa90/romski123/primer%20paint/Slide2-2.jpg)

(http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa90/romski123/primer%20paint/Slide3-2.jpg)

(http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa90/romski123/primer%20paint/Slide4-2.jpg)

(http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa90/romski123/primer%20paint/Slide7.jpg)

Cheers,
Rommel
Title: Re: MDJuan Tubs - the official feedback thread
Post by: garage gnome on March 23, 2013, 07:51:24 AM: When I was working on my tub for painting, there was a huge section on the rear floor riser where your primer was flaking off really bad. It looked like there was still oil on the metal under it.
Title: Re: MDJuan Tubs - the official feedback thread
Post by: Rommel_Juan on March 25, 2013, 02:24:08 AM: WE JUST BOUGHT A CJ3A!!

We now have a sample :)

(http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa90/romski123/862114_10151379555168602_1453395347_n.jpg)

what should we look at first?

Cheers,
Rommel
Title: Re: MDJuan Tubs - the official feedback thread
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on March 25, 2013, 11:15:38 AM: How about the hat channels and the tool box latch?
Title: Re: MDJuan Tubs - the official feedback thread
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on March 28, 2013, 09:29:04 PM: Here is a picture of the MD Juan tool box lid along with the original lid off my 51 3a.

The original latch is much simpler...I do not know if all 3a's were the same..

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1040791_zpsc0c74268.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1040791_zpsc0c74268.jpg.html)

You can see that the lid construction is different

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1040792_zps82d032c2.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1040792_zps82d032c2.jpg.html)

But the fit of the original lid into the reproduction box is pretty darn good..

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1040793_zps543a24c9.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1040793_zps543a24c9.jpg.html)

Randy
Title: Re: MDJuan Tubs - the official feedback thread
Post by: Rommel_Juan on March 28, 2013, 09:34:39 PM: hey thanks for this Randy. I'll give you a report on this soon. We are already working on the right tool box lids.
Title: Re: MDJuan Tubs - the official feedback thread
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on March 28, 2013, 09:47:17 PM: You are welcome. I can get other pictures if you have a request. My 3a is in the garage all torn apart....

I do not have any first hand experience with any of your repro tubs. But there are two or three things that I've been told that worry me. #1 is that I have been told that the hole for the transmission tower is misaligned by 2 inches.. Now I do not know if this is true, nor do I know in which direction it is misaligned. And the other is the mounting or alignment of the emergency brake handle mount behind the dash.

Maybe you could look into these things now that you have a 3a tub to build from.

On a positive note I'm told that the GPW tubs fit very well.....

Randy
Title: Re: MDJuan Tubs - the official feedback thread
Post by: Rommel_Juan on April 27, 2013, 11:25:42 AM: Quote
That's great. ï¿½You're going to get these things to a point where you won't be able to tell it's a repro.

I really want to commend your efforts. ï¿½In this day and age of 'focus groups' and big wigs sitting around a conference table, you just don't see a manufacturer go straight to the purchaser to ask how to improve a product. ï¿½This is how it should be done!!

Thank you, thank you, thank you!

Tim

Thanks Tim. I appreciate the compliment :)
Title: Re: MDJuan Tubs - the official feedback thread
Post by: Rommel_Juan on April 27, 2013, 11:31:46 AM: Hello again guys!

So who can come to the Quadratec PA BBQ on May 11?

We plan to start at 9am with a tour of the facility. then a short presentation by MDJuan, discussions then lunch :)

It's gonna be fun.

We need a head count.

heres the address:

Quadratec, Inc.
1028 Saunders Lane
West Chester, PA 19380

Directions to Quadratec
From points South of West Chester:
Get on Route 202 North
Take the US-322 West Paoli/Downingtown exit ramp
Make a right at the traffic light onto Phoenixville Pike
Continue 0.4 miles to Saunders Lane
Make right onto Saunders Lane
Quadratec is 500 feet ahead on right, just past the bus company

From points North of West Chester:
Get on Route 202 South
Take the Boot Road exit
At the top of the exit ramp, make a right
Continue to the traffic light
Make a left onto Phoenixville Pike
Continue 1 mile to Saunders Lane
Make left onto Saunders Lane
Quadratec is 500 feet ahead on right, just past the bus company
Title: Re: MDJuan Tubs - the official feedback thread
Post by: TomJ on April 28, 2013, 05:05:10 PM: I'd like to add my kudo's also. I'm at this stage right now with a body that had to be scrapped. I'll also be looking at a new body kit and will definitely look these over.

Tom
Title: Re: MDJuan Tubs - the official feedback thread
Post by: Rommel_Juan on April 28, 2013, 07:07:08 PM: nice looking underchassis.

I want to make my own restoration just as nice :)

(http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa90/romski123/899478_10151426657618602_856506878_o.jpg) (http://s202.photobucket.com/user/romski123/media/899478_10151426657618602_856506878_o.jpg.html)
Title: Re: MDJuan Tubs - the official feedback thread
Post by: 3aJeeper on May 01, 2013, 07:57:45 PM: Looking good! Looking forward to seeing the finished jeep.
Title: Re: MDJuan Tubs - the official feedback thread
Post by: Rommel_Juan on June 21, 2013, 03:40:52 AM: we are preparing the MB Master Kit for the MVPA Show in Oregon to be displayed by Ron Fitzpatrick Jeep Parts :)
(http://i1328.photobucket.com/albums/w526/rommeljuan/photo2_zps80b757d7.jpg) (http://s1328.photobucket.com/user/rommeljuan/media/photo2_zps80b757d7.jpg.html)
(http://i1328.photobucket.com/albums/w526/rommeljuan/photo1_zpscded140c.jpg) (http://s1328.photobucket.com/user/rommeljuan/media/photo1_zpscded140c.jpg.html)
Title: Re: MDJuan Tubs - the official feedback thread
Post by: Rommel_Juan on July 01, 2013, 12:16:02 PM: FYI!

I made a new thread reporting about the improvements done on our MB and GPW tubs based on inputs from G503

Check it out!
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=224062&p=1315568#p1315568

Cheers,
Rommel ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: MDJuan Tubs - the official feedback thread
Post by: macrisel on July 17, 2013, 12:41:03 PM: Rommel,
Do you care to provide an updated list on the issues that have been fixed on the 3A tubs and what issues are still being worked on?

For example
1. Incorrect gage hole sizes.....................fixed 3-1-13
2. Location of transmission/t-case hole......pending
3. Firewall angle.....................................pending
4. Toolbox latch changed to match OEM.....pending

As an issue is corrected the entire updated list could just be posted again on this topic. This would help any new members to the 3A community have a quick reference point on what has been done.

Thanks and keep up the great work!
Title: Re: MDJuan Tubs - the official feedback thread
Post by: Rommel_Juan on August 03, 2013, 08:57:14 PM: sorry for the delay but I finally got the improvements compiled for you :)
(http://i1328.photobucket.com/albums/w526/rommeljuan/cj3aimprovements_zps9b1baab6.jpg) (http://s1328.photobucket.com/user/rommeljuan/media/cj3aimprovements_zps9b1baab6.jpg.html)
Title: Re: MDJuan Tubs - the official feedback thread
Post by: Rommel_Juan on September 02, 2013, 10:53:39 AM: (http://i1328.photobucket.com/albums/w526/rommeljuan/Slide15_zps0c272dc8.jpg) (http://s1328.photobucket.com/user/rommeljuan/media/Slide15_zps0c272dc8.jpg.html)
(http://i1328.photobucket.com/albums/w526/rommeljuan/Slide17_zps588467b0.jpg) (http://s1328.photobucket.com/user/rommeljuan/media/Slide17_zps588467b0.jpg.html)
(http://i1328.photobucket.com/albums/w526/rommeljuan/Slide16_zpse7d816bd.jpg) (http://s1328.photobucket.com/user/rommeljuan/media/Slide16_zpse7d816bd.jpg.html)
Title: Re: MDJuan Tubs - the official feedback thread
Post by: Rommel_Juan on September 02, 2013, 10:54:56 AM: (http://i1328.photobucket.com/albums/w526/rommeljuan/Slide20_zps0c292cb9.jpg) (http://s1328.photobucket.com/user/rommeljuan/media/Slide20_zps0c292cb9.jpg.html)
(http://i1328.photobucket.com/albums/w526/rommeljuan/Slide19_zpsca411d1b.jpg) (http://s1328.photobucket.com/user/rommeljuan/media/Slide19_zpsca411d1b.jpg.html)
(http://i1328.photobucket.com/albums/w526/rommeljuan/Slide18_zpsddb6a58b.jpg) (http://s1328.photobucket.com/user/rommeljuan/media/Slide18_zpsddb6a58b.jpg.html)
Title: Re: MDJuan Tubs - the official feedback thread
Post by: Rommel_Juan on September 02, 2013, 10:55:36 AM: (http://i1328.photobucket.com/albums/w526/rommeljuan/Slide21_zpsd94beeb1.jpg) (http://s1328.photobucket.com/user/rommeljuan/media/Slide21_zpsd94beeb1.jpg.html)(http://i1328.photobucket.com/albums/w526/rommeljuan/Slide22_zps04d2cf49.jpg) (http://s1328.photobucket.com/user/rommeljuan/media/Slide22_zps04d2cf49.jpg.html)
(http://i1328.photobucket.com/albums/w526/rommeljuan/Slide23_zpsb14a2532.jpg) (http://s1328.photobucket.com/user/rommeljuan/media/Slide23_zpsb14a2532.jpg.html)
Title: Re: MDJuan Tubs - the official feedback thread
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on November 30, 2013, 08:04:38 PM: Hi Rommel,

I recently bought one of your new CJ-3a rear seat frames. There were two issues with the legs. Where the front leg is flattened and bent the leg is very weak. I added some weld to improve it's strength.

Also the rear leg does not sit 90 degrees to the jeep bed, and so the pins do not insert completely into the floor mounted catches. I chose to grind some of the leg away to improve the fit and to get a more solid connection with the floor mounted catch.

I've not seen an original seat so I cannot make a comparison, but the seat frame seems sturdy enough.

Randy
Title: Re: MDJuan Tubs - the official feedback thread
Post by: Rommel_Juan on March 23, 2014, 11:23:37 AM: improved cj3b windshield mounting bracket:
(http://i1328.photobucket.com/albums/w526/rommeljuan/PIBMI1404b-WindshieldBracket-CJ3B_zps23435f0f.jpg) (http://s1328.photobucket.com/user/rommeljuan/media/PIBMI1404b-WindshieldBracket-CJ3B_zps23435f0f.jpg.html)
Title: Re: MDJuan Tubs - the official feedback thread
Post by: Rommel_Juan on March 23, 2014, 11:23:55 AM: (http://i1328.photobucket.com/albums/w526/rommeljuan/PIBMI1406-RearSeat-CJ2A_zps2883a506.jpg) (http://s1328.photobucket.com/user/rommeljuan/media/PIBMI1406-RearSeat-CJ2A_zps2883a506.jpg.html)
Title: Re: MDJuan Tubs - the official feedback thread
Post by: Rommel_Juan on May 13, 2014, 07:07:15 PM: fender improvement. fyi :
(http://i1328.photobucket.com/albums/w526/rommeljuan/cj3afenders_zps59ee8c6b.png) (http://s1328.photobucket.com/user/rommeljuan/media/cj3afenders_zps59ee8c6b.png.html)
Title: Re: MDJuan Tubs - the official feedback thread
Post by: PeterL on May 13, 2014, 08:38:36 PM: Rommel, when will these new parts be available? I purchased a new tub kit last month and I have been really struggling with the fender fit. Will there be an updated part number to order the "new" fender?
Title: Re: MDJuan Tubs - the official feedback thread
Post by: jackdog06 on May 31, 2014, 09:57:32 AM: I purchased your CJ3A body kit in March and am very frustrated with the fender fit. The strut on the drivers side fender does not line up with the frame holes but other than that it fits. The right fender does not even come close to fitting and I have been struggling with it for 3 weeks! It appears it is to long. If you bolt it to the grill first you can't bolt it to the body and vis a versa. Any suggestions?
Title: Re: MDJuan Tubs - the official feedback thread
Post by: PeterL on May 31, 2014, 01:25:27 PM: jackdog06,

I also purchased the kit in March and have been dealing with the same problem. I was so frustrated with it I stopped even trying to work on it. I will get back to working on the body when I don't feel like cutting the fenders in half with a torch.... I contacted OMIX about it. According to all the tags that came on the body they warranty against craftsmanship defects. Yeah, well they didn't care. I am unhappy, yet relieved to know it was not just me :(
Title: Re: MDJuan Tubs - the official feedback thread
Post by: PeterL on July 14, 2014, 08:15:19 PM: Well, I can honestly say that I am a little irked that when two customers have a problem the response from Rommel falls eerily silent... Well, as an update I drilled out the spot welds on the fender support channels, and then took my handy grinder out and cut out the entire inner fender on the right hand side. Yeah, I was angry, but then again, the grinder slicing through my money/crappy fender made me feel much better. Oh well, I guess I will go have a beer now. >:(
Title: Re: MDJuan Tubs - the official feedback thread
Post by: jackdog06 on July 22, 2014, 08:39:25 AM: Found another set of fenders and bought them. They fit great. I am also finding other things about this body kit that are not quite right. If I were to do it again I would probably spend a little more for a different body kit.
Title: Re: MDJuan Tubs - the official feedback thread
Post by: Rommel_Juan on September 05, 2014, 04:35:21 AM: Product improvement

(http://i1328.photobucket.com/albums/w526/rommeljuan/PIBMI1419-TailgateCJ2A_zpsfaa254cf.jpg) (http://s1328.photobucket.com/user/rommeljuan/media/PIBMI1419-TailgateCJ2A_zpsfaa254cf.jpg.html)
Title: Re: MDJuan Tubs - the official feedback thread
Post by: PeterL on September 05, 2014, 08:57:28 AM: Way to give us a product update without actually responding to our problems...................... >:(
Title: Re: MDJuan Tubs - the official feedback thread
Post by: Dave on October 06, 2014, 08:27:11 PM: I have been shopping around for a A cj3a tub and it seems everyone is out of stock, is this because md Juan is fixing these issues? I need a tub soon and no one seems to know what the deal is?

Also any experience using original parts with the tub? My windsheild frame and fenders are original steel, should I just get the hole kit? Don't have enough of a tub to fix and no luck finding a fixer
Title: Re: MDJuan Tubs - the official feedback thread
Post by: athawk11 on October 06, 2014, 09:36:42 PM: Dave,
It is conceivable that the venders are holding off buying new stock to make sure they get the new and improved versions.ï¿½

I don't have anything to offer on whether the original sheet metal will work with new tubs, but I do believe that MD Juan is trying there best to solve past fitment issues.ï¿½ The modifications that people are making is to the fenders, not the tub, so I would imagine your original fenders would work well with a new tub.ï¿½ I think the original windshield will work too.ï¿½ In fact, I believe the repro windshields have had problems. Stick with your original.

It's too bad many have had to suffer through the marginal versions, but again, I have faith that MD Juan is heading in the right direction.

Good luck... and let us know what direction you end up taking.

Tim
Title: Re: MDJuan Tubs - the official feedback thread
Post by: Dave on October 07, 2014, 08:58:50 PM: Thanks, I talked with Russell at vintage jeeps inc. great guy and great service. He is familiar with the issues and his stock is from early this year so according to that the changes should be there. I will cross my fingers, either way he is familiar with the fixes and offered any advice he can give. This is a great contrast to another vendor in Cali that told me to buy another jeep with a good tub! Easier said than done! With the 200$ rebate it will be 2125 delivered. I can live with that
Title: Re: MDJuan Tubs - the official feedback thread
Post by: jackdog06 on October 09, 2014, 09:02:38 AM: Dave if you are going to buy just get the tub. There are minor issues but not bad. I bought a complete body kit and not one thing fit without mods. The right fender was complete garbage and wrestled with hood, tail gate and windshield frame to make fit. Never could get a response from MD Juan so don't think you'll any recourse after you buy. Good luck!
Title: Re: MDJuan Tubs - the official feedback thread
Post by: Rommel_Juan on October 13, 2014, 06:52:24 PM: new product:

(http://i1328.photobucket.com/albums/w526/rommeljuan/NPB1418-StepCJ2A3A_zps8b03e379.jpg) (http://s1328.photobucket.com/user/rommeljuan/media/NPB1418-StepCJ2A3A_zps8b03e379.jpg.html)
Title: Re: MDJuan Tubs - the official feedback thread
Post by: Rommel_Juan on October 13, 2014, 06:55:20 PM: hi Guys,

Sorry about being quiet.

I haven't been hanging around the threads lately.

I will look into the problems discussed here and get back to you.

Rommel
Title: Re: MDJuan Tubs - the official feedback thread
Post by: Rommel_Juan on October 13, 2014, 07:14:45 PM: Quote
I purchased your CJ3A body kit in March and am very frustrated with the fender fit. The strut on the drivers side fender does not line up with the frame holes but other than that it fits. The right fender does not even come close to fitting and I have been struggling with it for 3 weeks! It appears it is to long. If you bolt it to the grill first you can't bolt it to the body and vis a versa. Any suggestions?

just saw this now. Pls email us at sales.mdjuan@gmail.com for direct concerns. Meanwhile I'll get back to you on this fender issue.
Title: Re: MDJuan Tubs - the official feedback thread
Post by: calvinhunt on October 14, 2014, 12:33:23 AM: This is how I chose to deal with the strut on the left fender that didn't line up with the holes in the frame:

(http://i389.photobucket.com/albums/oo336/calvinhunt/Fit%20tub%20to%20frame/IMG_4048.jpg) (http://s389.photobucket.com/user/calvinhunt/media/Fit%20tub%20to%20frame/IMG_4048.jpg.html)

Not pretty, but no one ever sees it (till now) and it allowed me to use the original holes in the frame. I'm not going to alter the original frame holes with nuts welded in place behind them for a reproduction part that doesn't fit.
Title: Re: MDJuan Tubs - the official feedback thread
Post by: Rommel_Juan on October 14, 2014, 02:23:58 AM: Quote
Well, I can honestly say that I am a little irked that when two customers have a problem the response from Rommel falls eerily silent...ï¿½

sorry, didn't mean to irk you. I've just been a little busy and heaven't visited this forum in awhile
Title: Re: MDJuan Tubs - the official feedback thread
Post by: Oilleaker1 on October 14, 2014, 08:12:37 AM: If a customer recieved a part that does not fit, he should get a fixed/improved replacement sent to him free of charge. I don't think it's good business to fix the problem for others and not the current customer. They should contact MD Juan direct and get results in my book. I bought a 400 dollar gas tank for a M38A1 and fixed all the problems which included modifying the fuel lines and hold downs, only to find the seat would not bolt down over it because it's too tall of a tank. I got no help/refund either. Ended up licking my wounds and bought a nos tank. The nos tank installed in 15 minutes, no issues. John
Title: Re: MDJuan Tubs - the official feedback thread
Post by: jackdog06 on November 01, 2014, 09:31:46 AM: I emailed your sales dept. as you suggested and no response. I also emailed you direct and the emails came back as undeliverable. Don't know what else to do but suck it up. Anyone else out there thinking about buying one of these body kits DON'T! The tub itself is OK but everything else doesn't fit without alot of fab work and the right fender is just junk. It is nice MDJaun offers affordable replacement bodies, but I would suggest spending a little more for quality.
Title: Re: MDJuan Tubs - the official feedback thread
Post by: PeterL on November 03, 2014, 07:47:25 AM: I agree 100% with Jackdog06.

Body is OK everything else is JUNK!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: MDJuan Tubs - the official feedback thread
Post by: Dave on November 16, 2014, 08:10:23 PM: Got my tub! All in all not too bad, to get the hat channels to line up I had to cut both fender braces off the fenders and reposition them. The grill ended up about a half inch farther forward so that is how much I had to move the braces. The paint seems to be in good shape, nothing falling off. Some of the finish work is rough. The windshield frame and hood fit good. Tool box latch is like the original and the gauges fit with no problem. All in all pretty happy with it!
Title: Re: MDJuan Tubs - the official feedback thread
Post by: Dave on November 16, 2014, 08:11:28 PM: The front
Title: Re: MDJuan Tubs - the official feedback thread
Post by: Dave on November 16, 2014, 08:13:37 PM: Hard to see being black
Title: Re: MDJuan Tubs - the official feedback thread
Post by: Ryan_M on January 07, 2015, 07:04:34 PM: Edit 1/17/15: The wheelhouse fitment issues were due to me being shipped 2A wheel houses in error. I have since received the correct 3A wheel houses and they installed without issue. The tool box, however, remains a complete piece of garbage.
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Rommel - These wheel house tops are sold as fitting a 3A or M38. They fit neither. It would cost you exactly zero pesos more to make the bend in the right spot instead of the wrong one. Not happy.

(http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z403/rmurdock2121/1952%20M38%20SN%2056849/Passenger_zpsb6ae6785.jpg)

(http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z403/rmurdock2121/1952%20M38%20SN%2056849/DriversSide_zpse245ff24.jpg)

While we're at it this tool box is not even close to what it should be. Lid is completely wrong and the fit is horrible. Please PM me for a total amount of money wasted and I'll gladly accept a refund or at least a labor charge for time spent correcting this disaster.

(http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z403/rmurdock2121/1952%20M38%20SN%2056849/20150102_215053_zpseznfgnr6.jpg)

(http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z403/rmurdock2121/1952%20M38%20SN%2056849/20150102_215117_zpsh5vblo98.jpg)
Title: Re: MDJuan Tubs - the official feedback thread
Post by: athawk11 on January 07, 2015, 07:22:23 PM: Ryan,

That looks like the exact bend I needed to make to convert a 2A wheel house into a 3A wheel house. In this photo, you see the 2A house on the right. The original 3A is on the left.

(http://i1195.photobucket.com/albums/aa397/athawk11/athawk11%20Willys%20White/image_zps9264e3a6.jpg)

My guess...someone is still selling a 2A top and passing it off as a 3A.

Tim
Title: Re: MDJuan Tubs - the official feedback thread
Post by: Ryan_M on January 07, 2015, 07:41:02 PM: Additional measuring reveals additional problems. The MD Juan 3A wheelhouses measure 33-1/2" (although Walck's site specifically states they are 32").

I thought maybe a set of 2A wheelhouses were drop shipped in error but the sticker on the individual bubble wrap states "3A". So either they were mixed up during packaging or they just are blatantly wrong.

Edit:

The more I look into this the more I think I just have the wrong parts. MD Juan's site clearly shows two different wheelhouse styles - one for the 2A and one for the 3A. There's no question I have 2A ones that are labeled as 3A.

(http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z403/rmurdock2121/1952%20M38%20SN%2056849/MDJuanwheelhouses_zpsf5769f21.jpg)
Title: Re: MDJuan Tubs - the official feedback thread
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on January 07, 2015, 08:12:35 PM: It's too bad Classic Enterprises doesn't make a tool box....The MD Juan version I got sounds just like yours....I ended up using my old lid which fit just fine, and the clip style 3a latch worked fine too...

But it was a wrestling match to get it installed...thank goodness for hammers....

CE does offer a complete wheelhouse, but you probably are aware of that...
Title: Re: MDJuan Tubs - the official feedback thread
Post by: Ryan_M on January 08, 2015, 06:59:41 PM: CE makes entire wheelhouses but they don't sell just the tops, which is all I needed. Plus, with my Walck's discount gift certs and free shipping it seemed a good way to go.

Looks like neither MD Juan or Walck's is to blame for these wheelhouses afterall. They were drop shipped from Omix and when I looked close I noticed a discrepancy in the labeling. Omix slapped their 3A label on MD Juan 2A wheel houses. I was on the phone with Carl first thing this morning and have just seen an e-mail thread between him and Omix. Both companies appear to be all over it and I expect to have the correct wheel houses here soon. I will update this again with positive comments if the actual 3A wheelhouses do indeed fit.

The toolbox, however, remains a complete piece of crap.

(http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z403/rmurdock2121/1952%20M38%20SN%2056849/20150108_183855_zps1d58b3e9.jpg)
Title: Re: MDJuan Tubs - the official feedback thread
Post by: Thorholt on April 21, 2015, 01:28:20 PM: Well I can probably add to this thread in a few days, I just unloaded my 3a tub but it is going on a 2a frame, I am reusing my hood, fenders, grill and tailgate so we should see how it fits with original parts also but the fenders and grill and hood are 2a stuff, I went with the 3a tub because I just wanted a little more belly room in my jeep, The build date on it is November of 2014 so it should be the latest, More to come.
Title: Re: MDJuan Tubs - the official feedback thread
Post by: Thorholt on April 21, 2015, 11:10:25 PM: I got it uncrated and I was pleasantly surprised, the quality is good, needs about a hour of body work time on the exterior and it will be ready to paint, The tool box lid is fixed, I do have a problem with the fuel tank, the mounting strap brackets are not there at all, the tank also hits the center transmission tunnel before the drain hole in the floor lines up, could be the tank also, it is a repo, I will measure more tomorrow. It also is missing the parking brake spring bracket down under.
Going to set it on the frame tomorrow and see how the rest goes.
Title: Re: MDJuan Tubs - the official feedback thread
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on April 22, 2015, 10:35:52 AM: It sure looks the part.....it will be interesting to see how it fits......
Title: Re: MDJuan Tubs - the official feedback thread
Post by: athawk11 on April 22, 2015, 12:33:46 PM: I am seeing things that do look better. The holes for the tank...I find this is interesting.

I bought preformed replacement floors from one supplier, and a new tank from another. This was the exact same issue I had with tank fitment.

My original tank did fit in the replacement floor correctly. Makes me think the tank is the problem here. I was forced to enlarge the holes.

Keep us posted on your progress. This should be interesting.

Tim
Title: Re: MDJuan Tubs - the official feedback thread
Post by: Ryan_M on April 22, 2015, 02:01:00 PM: That appears to be a 3A style tool box lid instead of the previous, flattened, 2A style one too which is good. The rain gutter is there but the holes and angled piece for draining water out are not there yet.
Title: Re: MDJuan Tubs - the official feedback thread
Post by: Thorholt on April 22, 2015, 07:45:59 PM: Well I set the tub down on the frame today and it hit the top of the transmission before the mounts hit the frame, Just as I was starting to @#*! at it I raised it up on the hoist to look from underneath and when standing behind and looking at the transmission from the rear I could see that the clutch bellcrank shaft angled up from the frame to the transmission upon closer inspection I could see that the transmission crossmember had taken a hard hit at sometime and was bent up raising the transmission into the tub, I lowered the trans down to its proper position and all is good :)
The transfercase shift levers are spot on with the tub hole as is the transmission shifter hole, the clutch hole is good but the brake pedal hole is too high, another reported the same on his new 2A tub over on that forum also.
More to do tomorrow and I will take some pictures of it, there might be a problem with the throttle hole also, it seems to far to one side but I will need to look close at that also.
Title: Re: MDJuan Tubs - the official feedback thread
Post by: GlynB on April 27, 2015, 06:53:06 AM: Hi everyone

I'm in the middle of test fitting my new CJ3A tub from MD Juan and I'm really pleased with the results. It has taken a bit of effort to get the wings - sorry, fenders - to line up and I have had to enlarge the holes for the pedals and transfer gearbox levers but otherwise its looking pretty good.

My question is, what is the fuel tank mounted on? In my original tub (which had been patched many times) it sat on a piece of wood broken off - literally - from a 3/4 inch plank. I'm guessing this wasn't original spec(!) so what should it sit on? I'll post some photos later.

Thanks
Title: Re: MDJuan Tubs - the official feedback thread
Post by: GlynB on April 27, 2015, 10:37:01 AM: Here's a photo of the Jeep's new tub, plus a photo of the piece of wood on which the fuel tank was mounted in the old tub!
Title: Re: MDJuan Tubs - the official feedback thread
Post by: GlynB on April 27, 2015, 10:38:52 AM: ..and the new tub. Bright sunshine makes it difficult to take a good photo at the moment so I'll post more some other time
Title: Re: MDJuan Tubs - the official feedback thread
Post by: aboyandhisdog on April 27, 2015, 11:32:12 AM: This is a good question, Glyn. I placed mine on a couple of long strips of rubber, the thickness of which placed the tank spout in the right spot so that I could get the rubber spacer around the spout correctly. As I recall, small differences in thickness made quite a change as to where the spout landed. I too would like to know what Willys had in mind for this.
Title: Re: MDJuan Tubs - the official feedback thread
Post by: athawk11 on April 27, 2015, 12:34:06 PM: Hi Fellas!

Here is an information page discussing this material. I can't tell if the original is welting or some type of felt, but it is described as "anti-squeak" material.

http://www.cj3a.info/tech/gastank.html

This stuff is available at most Willys vendors, but I did what Tom did. I used long black rubber strips. (commercial head seal...from the garage door industry)

Tim
Title: Re: MDJuan Tubs - the official feedback thread
Post by: GlynB on April 27, 2015, 05:46:09 PM: Thanks guys

The link is really useful. I did consider making some wooden duckboards for the footwells and I imagine I could fashion one to extend under the fuel tank - this might also provide a suitable solution. In either case it looks like an earth strap will be needed to enable the fuel gauge to work properly.

Asking one question seems to raise another - looking at the diagram on the link page and reading aboyandhisdog's post, it seems there is a rubber seal around the neck of the fuel tank? Does this fit on the inside or outside of the tub opening? and how is it fastened in place?
Title: Re: MDJuan Tubs - the official feedback thread
Post by: Ryan_M on April 27, 2015, 07:42:42 PM: Quote
Does this fit on the inside or outside of the tub opening?

Both. It installs like a giant grommet. It's a delicate dance getting the filler neck to fit through the hole in the tub while massaging this seal into place.
Title: Re: MDJuan Tubs - the official feedback thread
Post by: athawk11 on April 27, 2015, 08:09:14 PM: GlynB: In either case it looks like an earth strap will be needed to enable the fuel gauge to work properly.

I've learned recently that this tank ground is achieved with the steel fuel line and a tub mounted clip just below the foot well on the underside of the tub. Don't be shy about adding more grounds. Extra certainly can't hurt anything.

Tim
Title: Re: MDJuan Tubs feedback update methodology
Post by: Mike S on March 01, 2016, 06:10:26 PM: If MD juan would SERIALIZE the tubs and record all changes by serial number range, it would help people like me. I spent a lot of money 'fixing issues' because I was sold an older tub. If I had better information I could avoided the problems and would have saved 2X the cost of the tub I bought.

As it is, I believe that I would have been money ahead to buy all the parts from Classic Enterprises and built a tub from the components. Seriously.
Title: Re: MDJuan Tubs - the official feedback thread
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on March 01, 2016, 10:35:15 PM: I once asked Lamonte at Classic Enterprises why they didn't just sell the whole tub.....

He said that I wouldn't like the shipping charges...

I thought that maybe it was worth a try....

But I agree, buying the parts from Classic and assembling your own tub might be the answer....
Title: Re: MDJuan Tubs - the official feedback thread
Post by: Oilleaker1 on March 02, 2016, 06:41:13 AM: I feel your pain. Currently MD Juan is the only one that makes complete bodys. I aggree, fix the original if at all possible or buy another original Jeep tub/body. On the shifter not being centered, my son figured out how far it needed to be moved, and oval cut the hole out, turned it around, and welded it back in. The list is long and painful of ill, non fitting items. John
Title: Re: MDJuan Tubs - the official feedback thread
Post by: Mike S on March 03, 2016, 11:27:57 PM: Quote
I feel your pain. Currently MD Juan is the only one that makes complete bodys. I aggree, fix the original if at all possible or buy another original Jeep tub/body. On the shifter not being centered, my son figured out how far it needed to be moved, and oval cut the hole out, turned it around, and welded it back in. The list is long and painful of ill, non fitting items. John

John There is a long list of corrections that I needed to make and the tub is STILL not right. The original hood does not fit well. The fenders do not fit well. I had to take pieces off my other two parts tubs to complete the body. And I used my original windshield, hood, grille and tailgate. The only this new was the tub. I spent about $10K and the tub, fixes, body work and paint. I would probably have saved about $5K if I had started with Classic Enterprises parts.

I am finishing my CJ2A. I will begin looking for a good original tub and eventually replace the MD Juan tub.
Title: Re: MDJuan Tubs - the official feedback thread
Post by: CJPilot on March 09, 2016, 07:19:32 PM: I donï¿½t know where to begin. I used to build truck equipment bodies and though ï¿½How hard can it be to drill a few holes in a tub ? ï¿½ After a couple of years plugging away at it, I reworked my repo body kit to the point of actually painting it. I donï¿½t think Iï¿½d buy another one. Unless things change Classic repair panels would be the go.
Title: Re: MDJuan Tubs - the official feedback thread
Post by: Mark W. on March 10, 2016, 01:10:12 PM: I took everyones advise and bought Classic Enterprises parts I bought everything from the Cowl seam to the Cowl seam except the Fender boxes and the floor (I am doing something different for the floor) And the parts appear to be extremely well made But even with Classic there are some WTF's the Gas tank fill hole was scribed on the right side panel!!! and while this is not necessarily Classics fault one of the Rear Side panels showed up with the curve at the top pushed in to far so instead of a 90 degree its more like a 110 degree curve. I am sure this happened in shipping and will only be a few min to fix (hopefully). I have not assembled any of the parts yet that will show just how good they are. I do really wish the Lower cowl sections had come with either the Blind nuts for the fenders or at least the holes punched. Though I guess I may be glad they aren't when it comes to alignment.

At this point besides the original fender boxes (which I maybe replacing the sides on with DIY panels) the Tunnel, Firewall Top Cowl and Dash. I bought with shipping $1100.00 in New Classic Ent. metal and for the parts I am DIYing (the flat front floor the top of the tool box and rear floor) another $225.00 in local sourced steel some luckily from a used place.ï¿½

we will see how my plan works out.
Title: Re: MDJuan Tubs - the official feedback thread
Post by: oops1215 on April 29, 2016, 08:43:21 PM: Are those side steps available in the states?