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Title: Short water pump for Buick 231 V6
Post by: Macgyver on May 19, 2013, 09:57:12 AM: Hello, I've been away working for a while. My project has been progressing slowly. I need to know if there is a short water pump for the 231 V6. Napa says no but I've heard it brought up before. If anyone has a part number.

Thanks, Cole
Title: Re: Short water pump for Buick 231 V6
Post by: garage gnome on May 20, 2013, 09:51:31 PM: Never heard of such a critter?. Why do you need it? Those v6s fit pretty nicely.
Title: Re: Short water pump for Buick 231 V6
Post by: Macgyver on May 20, 2013, 10:48:22 PM: Thanks for the reply. I placed the engine in based on questions you guys answered last year. I moved transfere case forward and to the right 1 inch. I don't have the body back on yet, but holding the stock radiator up on the mounts seems close. I thought there was some discussion a while back about a shorter pump. Probably with a mustang radiator there will be more clearance. Is there another radiator you might suggest? Also thank you for all your posts, I have stolen many ideas from you.

Cole 8-)
Title: Re: Short water pump for Buick 231 V6
Post by: Stich on May 21, 2013, 10:45:09 AM: +1 on the Mustang radiator. I bought an aluminum one off Ebay with an electric fan. Had to also get the relay for it. Works real good and doesn't rob power from engine. Bolts up close to the grill for added clearance.
Title: Re: Short water pump for Buick 231 V6
Post by: garage gnome on May 21, 2013, 05:41:49 PM: This is a mustang radiator and I pulled my engine forward a few inches when I built my custom frame and suspension.

(http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx125/willyscjmj/The%20Jalopy/D2702FCC-3C68-4162-83FB-334F3F9BED30-3694-0000092196DEF942_zps5864dc2f.jpg) (http://s748.photobucket.com/user/willyscjmj/media/The%20Jalopy/D2702FCC-3C68-4162-83FB-334F3F9BED30-3694-0000092196DEF942_zps5864dc2f.jpg.html)

(http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx125/willyscjmj/The%20Jalopy/DSCN0264.jpg) (http://s748.photobucket.com/user/willyscjmj/media/The%20Jalopy/DSCN0264.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Short water pump for Buick 231 V6
Post by: duffer on May 23, 2013, 09:46:43 AM: I believe the short water pumps are pretty much a small block Chevy thing, including the 4.3 V6. A short pump is a necessity if installing a sbc V8.
Title: Re: Short water pump for Buick 231 V6
Post by: Macgyver on May 23, 2013, 11:40:33 PM: Nate, thanks nice fit on the radiator. That's what I will use.

Thanks, Cole :)
Title: Re: Short water pump for Buick 231 V6
Post by: Macgyver on June 12, 2013, 01:08:01 PM: Getting ready to order radiator. What year mustang am I looking for? I am assuming the old ones, so v8 or 6 banger. And how do you mount, should I weld in tabs to bolt to. Do I need to brace with the rods that bolt back to the tub? Anything else you guys can think of would be great.

Thanks, Cole :)
Title: Re: Short water pump for Buick 231 V6
Post by: garage gnome on June 12, 2013, 09:41:22 PM: This is the one I used. If you bolt it to the grille like the later 3As used, then you don't need the braces. I added mine because I welded some mounts to the fame for it and I didn't want the welds to break.

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/SUM-380485/
Title: Re: Short water pump for Buick 231 V6
Post by: Macgyver on June 12, 2013, 10:17:41 PM: Thanks, ordering one.

Take care, Cole
Title: Re: Short water pump for Buick 231 V6
Post by: Macgyver on June 16, 2013, 11:57:34 PM: At the in-laws working on the radiator mount. I forgot that crossmember was in the way, so I cut it longways and welded on a plate. My brother in-law suggested that I weld in additional material below the crossmember to protect aluminum from flying objects. Tomorrow I'm going to tac some mounting tabs on the grill and get my brother in-law to Tig them. I'll try to post some pics. :)

Cole
Title: Re: Short water pump for Buick 231 V6
Post by: Macgyver on June 27, 2013, 01:46:30 PM: Can't figure out how to post pictures. I guess file is too large from my ifone. Any ideas?

Thanks, Cole
Title: Re: Short water pump for Buick 231 V6
Post by: Quebec Jeep on June 27, 2013, 02:37:00 PM: You can attach file with a maximum of 750KB.
Title: Re: Short water pump for Buick 231 V6
Post by: Macgyver on June 28, 2013, 05:44:36 PM: I tried to repost, but I get a message that the file is too large. I just went straight from my ifon pics from choose file box. Do I need to reformat pictures? It is saying they are 2670k per pic. Sorry don't understand that stuff.

Thanks, Cole
Title: Re: Short water pump for Buick 231 V6
Post by: garage gnome on June 28, 2013, 07:38:58 PM: Email to me and I'll post up via my photobucket account.
Title: Re: Short water pump for Buick 231 V6
Post by: garage gnome on July 05, 2013, 10:14:43 PM: Here are the pics Cole asked me to upload. I'll let him explain.

(http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx125/willyscjmj/1.jpg) (http://s748.photobucket.com/user/willyscjmj/media/1.jpg.html)

(http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx125/willyscjmj/3.jpg) (http://s748.photobucket.com/user/willyscjmj/media/3.jpg.html)

(http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx125/willyscjmj/2.jpg) (http://s748.photobucket.com/user/willyscjmj/media/2.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Short water pump for Buick 231 V6
Post by: Macgyver on July 16, 2013, 10:04:12 AM: Thanks Nate, is it possible to 180 these pictures for our desktop friends. When putting in the V6 you will need to either remove and replace crossmember or modify. I split and boxed so the mustang radiator will slide lower to line up with front of Buick. This seems to me to be the best way to go. I then tacked on some mounting tabs for the radiator to mount to the grill. Still waiting on my brother in-law to Tig up. I don't get to work on my jeep very often, it's in CA and I live in AZ. :)
Title: Re: Short water pump for Buick 231 V6
Post by: garage gnome on July 16, 2013, 12:14:18 PM: I posted the pictures with my laptop and they were fine. Now that I look at them on my iPhone, they are wrong. Grrrr...