My Willys 3A and 3B Community
Your Projects => Your CJ-3A Project => Topic started by: Kirkski on November 13, 2013, 11:07:21 PM
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Well, here is where I tell the story of my build. At the risk of repeating myself, here is most of the intro I used on the Forum, and the beginning of my story:
This past spring I inherited a 1952 CJ-3A from my Uncle. He worked for a wealthy man (Mr. Jones) as his Farm manager in Rhode Island. Mr. Jones had my Uncle and another employee pick the Jeep up from a friend of his in update New York in the winter 1954. They drove it to Rhode Island where Mr. Jones used it when he visited his farm. In 1962 Mr. Jones passed away and his widow gave the Jeep to my Uncle.
My cousin drove the Jeep on and off until the early 1980's. During which he did a Bubba rattle can paint job. About 1981 he then parked it in a barn, and a few years ago the engine would not turn over. So, he removed the head and the oil pan (just to make sure it really got stuck I guess). Sadly watching it sit he finally gave it to me, in March 2013.
The Jeep has an addition of a high back seating area, and a flattened passenger floor. It appears that this was altered at the Factory to the best of my knowledge. This made for a "U" shaped seating area in the back. The wheel wells were extended as well, and a basket added where the tailgate would be.
I am anxious to get the Jeep functional, to date I have removed the engine and sent it to the machine shop. I am just about ready to pull the Tub off the frame. I will attempt to attach a pic of the day I picked it up.
I am very thankful to be allowed to access the "The CJ-3A Page", and hoping to learn a lot from you members.
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Looks like a good project! The tub look solid! Bubba got a hold of it too.
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Welcome. Great looking 3A!!!
Did you make note of the engine serial number? It's on the front edge of the block deck and will be permanently removed if they have to resurface the deck.
Keep posting photos, we love to see them!
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Neat story, neat jeep. That rear surround is interesting and it looks like it fits really well...
Keep the pictures coming!
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Welcome. Great looking 3A!!!
Did you make note of the engine serial number? It's on the front edge of the block deck and will be permanently removed if they have to resurface the deck.
Bob, After seeing your comment this morning, I ran right to the Engine shop and he cleaned off the serial number area and I was able to get it. :)
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The fellow who machined my block had a set of stamps and was able to re-stamp the number after machining..
Be sure to take pictures of everything as you take it apart..each component,before, during disassembly and once disassembled...and put the associated bolts and parts in baggies that are well marked with a Sharpie or similar.
Of course, if you find a "I wonder where this goes?" part be sure to ask...we are here!
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Very interesting, look how they used two different fonts for the number 3.
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Very interesting, look how they used two different fonts for the number 3.
Now that you mention it..... looks like all three "3"s are different....
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Now that you mention it..... looks like all three "3"s are different....
No doubt about it :o weird
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It might just be the angle and the force used when they were punched...unless one broke at the moment they stamped your engine!
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After another look I think that each 3 is a different font.
What is the vehicle serial number? I have 452-GB1 20548 here in NY.
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What is the vehicle serial number? I have 452-GB1 20548 here in NY.
Bob, My vehicle serial is 452-GB1 31214
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I wonder if they lay the stamps out ahead of time to get the numbers right. It would be quicker and you would not have to worry about reading the number/picking up the tool/stamping/putting it down and looking for the next number. I would think only 1 person or maybe 2 could keep up with marking engines.
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I read somewhere that they "load" them into some sort of fixture that provides alignment and spacing of the numbers/letters, then give them a mighty whack...that would explain the difference in 3's...
My engine has two 6's and a 9, and one 6 looks like the 9 but upside-down
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A few more pics� When I showed one of the guys at the club meeting today my pics, he made comments about my speedo?? No idea why� in any case supposed to be the original mileage...
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The speedo comment may be in reference to it going up to 100 mph. Both my 50's stop at 70. They were made by King Seeley. I did a quick look through Bob's book and saw no mention of any changes in speedo's for 1951 or 52
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I believe that the speedometer is not original.
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Interesting�. I guess the search is on to try to find an original... :-?
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Rats� it going to be a long build� every bolt going to break, no amount of heat or lube is helping... >:(
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Looks like that manifold ear is cracked too. I battled with the same - and many more - problems with my manifolds and ended up eventually replacing them with new ones. I wish I had done that right from the start.
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I also had manifold "issues"..
I would suggest that if you buy a replacement buy a complete matched intake/exhaust manifold, as I had difficulty matching my original intake to the repro exhaust..I eventually sent the repro back and found a used one that fit....
This was the problem when they were bolted together..
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I would suggest that if you buy a replacement buy a complete matched intake/exhaust manifold, as I had difficulty matching my original intake to the repro exhaust..I eventually sent the repro back and found a used one that fit....
I was talking to a guy at work, that is very handy. He is going to try and remove the bolts, and re-weld the cast manifold. He seems to be quite confident that he can do it. And he isn't charging me anything. :D Bringing him the manifold tomorrow! Stay Tuned
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It can be done....good luck!
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Manifold ready for Welding
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My cousin sent me some pics that he had taken of my Jeep about 1980 when it was pretty much his daily driver...
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Very cool! Are you going to get a top like that?
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Originally I had not planned on a top, but I like this look. If I can find one or get one made, I think I would for sure. At least I have all of the original bow parts.
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That top is interesting....it almost looks like the fabric is two layers, with something in between...kind of like a big down jacket...
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Finally took off the tub this afternoon...
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Prior to removing the tub I took some measurements and pictures of the shortened passenger side to make it easier to get it. I previously removed the added floor so I can put in a passenger seat later� Lots of mods on this baby, looks factory to me, or someone really knew what they were doing.
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Do you plan to leave the side alone? Most probably wouldn't even notice......i wonder why someone would do that? Was the extra floor level with the top of the tool box?
The tub looks like it's in really good condition otherwise....
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From what my Uncle told me and comments gathered here it appears that they used this Jeep as a hunting vehicle for guests. The lower step and flat floor were for ease getting in an out. Here is a pic of what the floor looked like when I got it...
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The modifications/adds to the tub were nicely done.� Seems like the POs cared for it.
The hat channel supports look surprisingly good.� Hard to tell...do they look like they were replaced at some point?
The frame also looks to be in great condition.� I really like the tires. I've never seen that tread pattern before. Can you tell us what kind they are?� Are they in good shape?
You didn't mention how the manifold turned out.�
Tim
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The modifications/adds to the tub were nicely done.� Seems like the POs cared for it.
The hat channel supports look surprisingly good.� Hard to tell...do they look like they were replaced at some point?
The frame also looks to be in great condition.� I really like the tires. I've never seen that tread pattern before. Can you tell us what kind they are?� Are they in good shape?
You didn't mention how the manifold turned out.�
Tim,
The Jeep has been the same configuration since 1954 at least, and never been apart. The modifications were prior to 54 according to my Uncle. The underside of the tub and the frame is in very good shape. I still am learning quite a bit from this site, so I don't know all of the correct terms for everything. I have included oils of the hat channel so I hope you guys can see the condition. My garage is so packed, its hard to get any light in.
The tires are "Jetzon" 6.50 - 16LT, looks like that company is still in business, and sell a tire with a similar tread. These tires are at least 24 years old and the tubes still hold air very well. Only one have I had to add air too�
I have also added pictures of the manifold welds, he did a great job. Although after the repair he painted them, I wish he hadn't. I need to replace the heat riser, it is very stiff. I wonder if you or anyone else has any guidance in that job?
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You could try cleaning the bushings that the shaft rides in.� Maybe PB Blaster or WD40? If this doesn't free it up, you may have to drill out the weld that holds the flap to the shaft.
Use a large punch to drive the shaft out of the manifold.� Clean the shaft thoroughly with some 400 grit sand paper or scotch bright pads.� Then slip the shaft back in and see if it turns freely before welding the flap back on.�
If not, you may want to replace the bushings and shaft.� There are new riser kits available with new bushing and shaft.
That underside is in great condition.� I don't remember seeing one that nice.
Tim
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I had the day off today and I was able to get some stuff done and tack some pics as well.
I got the starter and generator back from the armature shop and they did a great job
My Snap On guy referred someone to me that needed his Harley serviced, come to find out he owns a local tranny shop. He offered to service my tranny cheap, so I took it off the frame and delivered it to him. :D
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I went to a local sandblasting shop, they quoted $750 to blast, epoxy prime and urethane paint my rolling chassis. I think that sounds reasonable.
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That does sound like a pretty good price. Are you breaking down the chassis to individual parts? If not, I would be sure the Sandblaster does a good job of keeping the blast media out of the axles, brakes, etc...
Tim
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Thanks for the tip Tim, I will be sure to keep that in mind when I take it there. He said that they go to the backing plates, figuring I'll need to redo the brakes etc, when its done.
I just need to get all the brake lines, exhaust, wiring and stuff completely off. I also need to replace the rear cross member first.
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My frame came back from the Sandblaster / Painter I am very happy with the job that was done. Now I can start bolting things back on! Keeping me excited� As you will all be able to tell, the character still remains for the most part. Best part they only charged me $600
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It sure is fun to work on them when the parts are all nice and clean...it looks like a really good frame, with both front bumper and rear cross-member in great condition..
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Well, finally got some more accomplished on the Jeep today. Brought the frame over to my friends shop today and put it on the lift.
Broke down the tires from the rims and get ready for the sandblaster, take them Wednesday morning. Started taking the drums off and the brakes apart. The tabs that hold the brake shoes down were snapped off on one side in the rear and the shoes were really bad. The rest looked actually ok.
Goodies from Walcks should be arriving tomorrow. :D
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Nothing better than checking the tracking status of Walck's goodies and reading the words "Out for delivery" :)
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Man, I flat missed your update from October.� The frame looks great.
Tim
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Fought the good fight today, got a lot apart and cleaned up, but no real progress. Going to buy new adjuster hardware for the wheels I guess. The old ones just seem a bear to try and actuate.
New tires came in this week� woot woot, rims are at the sandblaster to get cleaned and primed..
Then paint�
It looks easier on TV...
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Man, I flat missed your update from October. The frame looks great.
Thanks Tim, it did come out great, there were no cracks or Bubba repairs anywhere I could find.
Kirk
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I have a tire I believe is original, I don't need it I wonder if it is of any value to anyone?
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All,
Concerning the rear brake assembly, when I removed my backing plate on the right side of my jeep the Grease protector was not installed with the gasket correctly. Basically the hole in the bottom of the axle was covered by the gasket.
My assumption is that the holes in the gasket, shims and the bottom of the Grease protector should all line up?
Is this to allow any grease overage to come out of the hole?
Won't this potentially allow water and particulate into the brake area?
Thanks in advance
Kirk
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The holes should all line up. Use Permatex 2 or similar between the layers of the gaskets and grease protector and you should be good to go.
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Thank you Ryan, I appreciate your response.
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Used is used, thankful for Walcks
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Making some nice progress, thankful for the use of a lift. For 60 plus years old things look pretty clean all and all :)
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Shiny!
I don't know if this is helpful or not, but I thought I could offer a suggestion. I use a very small dab of grease at the lower eccentrics and the two fingers that hold the center of the brake shoes in position. These are potential squeak and seize points. Also, just a bit on the elevated part of the backing plate where the shoes make contact.
Maybe I'm just a nut, but I hate squeaks. :(
Tim
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Kirkski,
One other thing I noticed...� The small shoe should be toward the rear of the Willys on all four wheels.
Tim
(http://i1195.photobucket.com/albums/aa397/athawk11/Willys%20brakes/20130311025_zpsc089c13e.jpg)
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Tim,
Thanks for that! Always taught the other way... Oh we'll, guess I'm pulling some wheels off. Also thanks for the info on the eccentrics, I'll make sure to do that as well!
Kirk
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Hi Kirk,
I should clarify. In most cases on older vehicles that use a long and short shoe, the large shoe will end up on the rear. A Willys brake system is a bit of an od duck. The Willys design is different because of the stationary lower eccentrics. There are quite a few good discussions on the Internet discussing this topic. Some give you detailed explanations as to why they are designed this way. They are a bit wordy, so if you're interested, I'll encourage you to dig in.
I also must admit that I learned this after doing mine all wrong on my first Willys brake job. I was really excited (sarcasm) when I was forced to pull the back drums again. :(
Tim
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Well that makes me feel better and not too much like an idiot :D
After you told me I did do some research on the web and see exactly what you were talking about. At least I found out now and not when I try to drive the thing.
This thing sure doe give me a lot of opportunities for pause :-/
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Is it recommended to put any lubrication at all on the front axles, specifically within the spindle and end cap area? I don't really see any reason too, but the caps were full of old grease
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I coated my axles with a small amount of grease, but just to keep rust away. I don't see why it would need to be packed in there.
I had a fair amount of grease in my spindles too, but I think it sort of flowed in there from the knuckle prior to cleaning it out and filling it with CV joint lube.
Tim
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The PO of my 3A had a thing for greasing the axles as well...
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Wow. That is ugly. And I thought mine were bad...
(http://i1195.photobucket.com/albums/aa397/athawk11/Willys%20brakes/20130304072_zps0bf90ce5.jpg)
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BMIC Wow now there is some grease
Anyone have any thoughts to what I am missing here? I have the Walcks brake line kit but this little line is very tight against axle. Is there supposed to be a spacer between the brass tee and the axle?
Befuddled
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One of my axles has this. This is an early '49 axle, but I don't know if this is an original feature...
(http://i1195.photobucket.com/albums/aa397/athawk11/9aff3f05d05c2be73ce4564fc93eac1e_zpssk4z6oyr.jpg)
This is a '49 axle also, but this is a late '49. This looks like a chubby little washer...
(http://i1195.photobucket.com/albums/aa397/athawk11/65bde9db78d5aab47cb25c7e5fa41042_zpsgkhc1cif.jpg)
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Tim thanks for that, guess I'll need to rummage through my take off parts.
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I've had one of those "chubby little washers" sitting on my desk for months and been trying to figure out where the heck on my M38 it came from.
Looking back, I couldn't get that brass T fitting snugly connected to the axle with the bolt I know was holding it on there previously...it was too long (like Kirkski's pic). Perplexed, I ended up just buying a shorter bolt.
All comes together now. Thanks Tim!
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Ryan,
I can't say with any certainty that this little chubby washer belongs back there, but it does solve the clearance issue.
I looked at my 2A last night. Its axle has the same pad shown in the the early '49 3A axle pictured above. This "pad" appears to disappear sometime in 1949.
Tim
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Chubby washer was the perfect fit. Fortunately I haven't thrown anything away since my fiasco chucking my original (gulp) step... Found out too late they were basically irreplaceable.
Painted rims and tires make it look like a jeep... Real happy with the tire choice
Not sure how mfg expects to use these rim bands... I ended up canning that idea
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Are you painting harvest tan on the tub? I do like the tire choice.
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Tumbleweed I'm planning on a dark grey, at least so far. I fear I have a ways to go before that happens
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Made a little more progress on the Jeep yesterday.
After having a heart attack trying to get the needle bearings pressed out of the bell crank and noticing there was a difference in the existing one installed and the kit... I swung for the fences and got it installed. The needle bearings were toasted...
Tied up all the new tie rod ends, mounted the rest of the tires and routed some more of the brake lines.
After that I did the rear pinion seal.. Nice day
Boss said I could leave the Jeep on the lift a while longer, I think he likes it, it generates conversation with customers..
Win Win!
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Those Traxions look great. I like the wheel color too.
Tim
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Those Traxions look great.� I like the wheel color too.
Tim
Thanks for that Tim, I really struggled over both choices and at the last minute reconciled on the Super Traxions. I really like the way they look as well.
The Hugger Orange was a last minute choice too, after a short discussion with a friend at work it was settled. I am glad on both accounts
Kirk
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When I took off the yoke to replace the pinion seal, I noticed that the original felt seal was much thinner than the one supplied by Walcks. So maybe the original was less than a 1/4" thick "donut" shape, and the new one over 1/2" think� is this unusual?
Sorry no pics...
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Hi Kirk,
I don't know that the larger seal will cause an issue. I got mine from Walck's also. I don't remember if the felt seal I pulled out was thinner. I didn't trim mine, but I remember this subject coming up before.
I believe the felt seal is designed to keep dirt and grit from getting to the actual lip seal and yoke surface.
I believe you can trim the felt seal if you end up with a clearance issue.
Tim
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Tim,
Thanks again for the reply, I am here now and took a pic
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That is quite a difference. My guess is your original may not have been deep enough to do any good. Here is a decent explanation from the 2A page that helps explain...
http://www.thecj2apage.com/forums/output-shaft-yoke-companion-flange_topic13719.html
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Sweet thanks Tim!
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Today I spent a little while tearing apart my Ross Steering box from my Willys, pretty straight forward. I have not put it together yet because I am looking to get the rebuild kit from Walcks
When I pulled off the steering wheel, which was very difficult, no matter what the You Tube people say, I gaffed up my steering shaft and needed a replacement. The used one I purchased unfortunately is the wrong length� so the search is on�
Does anyone have an opinion about the length of the steering shaft? Good bad or indifferent?
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I was able to find a worm shaft locally here used for $45 and it is really good shape, came with a steering box and the sector shaft is in good shape as well.
I wonder if anyone has an opinion on coating the worm shaft with something? I should say the section that resides within the steering column. Either paint or grease?
Looks like they don't really have anything on them and I just think that maybe there should be? :-/
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I don't think you want paint in there...it will no doubt flake off and just make a mess.
Eventually you will have 140wt gear oil or something similar in the steering box.
I used engine/transmission assembly lube when I put mine together. It just seemed like it needed something....
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Thank you!
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All,
Yesterday I took my oil filter apart and cleaned the inside as well as I could. What I noticed was a lot of sediment on the bottom of the cup. So much so it was very silvery in color and almost rubber like. I just wasn't sure if it was in fact a rubber seal or I really did have all that sediment.
I hope I got it all out it was a lot.
Also, I see the C-3 drop in filter on the Walcks website, do any of you know anywhere else to get them?
Thanks
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Got a call from the machine shop this afternoon!!! Engine is machined and together, they need the bits I have to get it running on the engine stand.
Great news but, my distributor has not come home from Willys Distributor yet� :-[
And looks like I am have a more difficult time finding a shop to rebuild my radiator, do you think a replacement is the way to go?� �:-/
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Where did you find those tires and if you don't mind how much were they. I'm in Mass. so not far, I need 6 so I hope they weren't too much.
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Hi LeeC, I got them through Summit Racing the were the cheapest I found at the time.
I got the tires, tubes and inner rim bands at the same time and for 5 it was about $1000.
I did return the inner rim bands though I did not have them when I removed the tires and I could not figure out how I could possibly get them in, there was a lot of rubber
Kirk
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Thanks for the info, I found a place in Nebraska for $110.00 each but I don't know about the shipping. It would probably be cheaper at Summit, I've bought lots of stuff from them and like their service. Now that you mention it I need 7.
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Well, got the distributor back from Willys Distributor and brought to the machine shop. They say they will have the engine running next week on the stand, really looking forward to that!
Got the transmission back and installed�
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Getting closer to coming back to life :D
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Wow. Very nice.
Tim
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Thanks Tim, IT'S ALIVE!! First time since 1981 best I know ;D
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[size=12]Congratulations![/size][/b]
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Picked up my engine yesterday morning with full intentions of getting it installed. As I was putting on the bell housing to the transmission I noticed that the Fulcrum was missing for the clutch fork. A quick call to the trains shop... Cannot be found
A local parts guy has a few of them, called him and he was in New Hampshire... No luck
Called Walcks probably be here on Monday... Oh the pain $2.05 part can ruin your day
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Lookin' very sharp. The missing fulcrum is a serious bummer.
You just need to have two or three Willys projects at a time so you can "borrow" stuff from one of the others. ;)
Tim
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Okay Kirkski, no excuse for missing FCT 2016. You are way ahead of the game. We expect to see an actual road test (no tub on the frame) really soon. I had an extra fulcrum I would have given you. Hate to see a guy spend $15 freight on a $2 part, although I have to admit I have done the same thing a time or two!
Looking good - I like the engine color - what color will the body be?
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Looks really nice.....when that fulcrum comes in you will be so ready to install that it'll go in like butter...
Just an observation and I don't know if it matters....on my engine the PCV valve connection to the valve cover is towards the front of the engine....it looks like your cover may be up-side-down...
I looked at mine and it does not look as though there will be any clearance issues the way it is....
And don't forget that accelerator linkage before you put the tub on...
Keep posting those pictures!
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Thanks Timi think it looks sharp as well. Missing the fulcrum was a real bummer, and I'd love to have more than one Jeep. Maybe one day!
Tumbleweed I hope and pray I can make an FCT I really enjoyed the pictures and videos!
The color I really haven't nailed down yet, right now I'm leaning toward the new Jeep color "Anvil". In any case I'm leaning toward the greys.
Road test yippee I hope to be before thanksgiving!!! ;D
Randy I checked my before pics and you are correct looks like the engine shop installed incorrectly. I'll see if I have any issues before I swap it around.
Good point on the accelerator linkage, will do for sure. One thing is I am in a hurry to get motoring but it's not a race. Thankfully I have access to a heated garage for all this work, so I will not be stalemated this winter!
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Today was the install day, first mating of the transmission and engine in 2-1/2 years... :D
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It looks great sitting there....I like the engine color.....it's really fun when they start going back together....!
Is that blue bungee your parking brake?
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I think it looks great as well, and this is a lot of fun. One thing that I wish I did more of was take pictures for a purpose. Many things that I thought would be obvious in reassembly are not. Of course I had no idea that it would be 2-1/2 years to get the engine back.
The blue bungee is pulling pressure on my clutch pedal to bring the ball back to the fork.
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For the life of me I cannot remember what this cable is for at the bottom of this picture. I have tried to search other builds for a pic but no avail. Not the clutch cable :o the lower one
Anybody have an idea and or a picture?
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Hi Kirkski,
That's the "engine stay cable".� It was designed to hold the engine from moving forward in case of collision.� It attaches to the bell housing.� Depending on which rear engine plate you have, there may be a bracket that hangs off of it, or it can be attached through one of the bell housing bolt holes.
The project is really coming together nice.�
Tim
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Thanks Tim as always you have the answer, this forum I would be way behind. Its amazing what you can learn here
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No too much to report, I filled the Tranny and Transfer case with oil today, installed the new carb parts I bought from Scoutpilot and I broke down the grill for paint!
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Those grills are more complex than they look....the parking light sockets are really neat....
You probably will replace the welting at some point...It may seem short out of the package but you can stretch it quite a bit.....you can make a tool for the rivets or just use a screw driver to spread them...
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Thanks for the tip Randy, I'm getting so excited at the prospect of driving this thing! It's about all that consumes my thoughts
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It's about all that consumes my thoughts
Boy can I relate to this! A word of caution...it won't go away. In fact, once the tub is on, it gets even worse. :o
You'll stand out in the garage for hours just staring at it.
Tim
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I have a storage unit where the two jeeps are now kept...but when I first moved the 3a over there I had terrible separation anxiety....
But when it's occasionally back in the garage I often just go out and look at it... :)
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I'm so glad I don't have to fight this disease alone and we have this support group :D
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Prepping the grill for paint
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Grill is painted and installed, I am really happy with my color choice, after months of agonizing... :-/
In different lighting the effects are really neat, you can see blue or green. I was thrilled that my body work came out well, its been 34 years since I have done any of that, don't have the hands I should but I can't see any issues.
Bolted on the radiator an shroud, installed new welting. Getting close... :D
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Looks great! Are you going to bolt an oddball seat on the frame and go for the obligatory Rolling Chassis Test Drive?
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Looks great! Are you going to bolt an oddball seat on the frame and go for the obligatory Rolling Chassis Test Drive?
Oh yes you must drive the bare chassis around....lots of fun...you will wonder why you need a tub!
Faux wicker for a seat is perfect! I used a patio chair and removed the legs...
I really like the color...
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Ryan and Randy you bet I am going to be riding this chassis around, I go to bed every night thinking about it and dwelling on it everyday.
My wife says I'm obsessed� I tend to agree :o
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Very cool color!
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Very very nice. That wheel against that gray is a very bold contrast. I really like it.
Be sure to check out Tim's (athawk11�s) chassis test drive set up. Almost more comfortable than the stock set up.
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Looking good! Love the Grey against the wheels. Make sure the steering wheel nut is on. Hawky forgot his and drove like a race driver. I'll never forget it. John
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Ok, I am now in need of help with creating a make shift electrical circuit to start my Jeep and test drive it.
I have a key start that has 4 posts on it
ACC, ST, IC, AM
I have a solenoid on the starter and it is 6 Volt
I assume that IC would be to the Ignition Coil, since I am not connecting the Ammeter I'm not sure what to do with the lug off of the solenoid, does that go to the ST or AM?
All of the drawings that I have looked at don't seem to be very helpful.
Thanks
Kirk
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Kirk,
I agree with your guess on the IC being ignition coil. You would just wire directly from the IC post to the + side of your coil.
-ACC is probably accessories.
-ST is "start" which will go to the small post on the solenoid.
-AM...hmmm...not sure. But You will need a connection to the Battery. You can see this attaches to the solenoid in my drawing. (same large post that the + side of the battery attaches to.)
Here is a basic drawing I put together for another Willys guy that was setting up to do a chassis run. He had a basic push start button in the equation (which you won't need)...and a universal key switch which was a bit odd. Label wise, he couldn't really tell me what he was seeing on it.
Hopefully this will help you a little. This is really all you need to start and run around a bit.
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Tim, i'm saving all of your hand drawing. It's amazing how much it look easy. We (forum members) are lucky to have you sharing your knowledge. Thank.
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Tim, Ever thought about moving to Rhode Island? Could really appreciate having you as a neighbor..
Thank you again for your timely response..
Giving it a whirl today I hope� fingers crossed I'll have an update later today...
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Great drawings Tim. I also have them saved in one of my many "WTF do I do now??????" files....
Kirk - While not "electrical" it's probably worth mentioning that connecting working temp and oil pressure gauges prior to a test run is not necessary but still a good idea. It's nice to know in advance if your motor is going to blow up in your face. My guess is you've done this already.
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You guys are all way too kind. I'm just trying to give back what the 3A Page has done for me.
Tim
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Ryan thanks for the tip, I did do that thankfully.
All I did start the Jeep today, :( No video to post I was so excited.. but then my son and daughter in law came down for the weekend and that ended any quality garage time.
I will try to stop in there tomorrow and take a video of the session�
Jeep started and ran, no real issues. Small issue with carb, will not run without some choke.. need to address that, otherwise� purrs like a kitten..
:D
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Here is the link to my video..https://youtu.be/cBrCqGvjK80
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SWEEEEEEET!! You must be psyched! When do we all get to go for a ride??
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Nice...runs like a watch!
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I sure am excited Ryan unfortunately work will get in the way the next week or so. I have some work to do to get a platform and a seat rigged up for it.
Randy it does run like a watch..
I also have a small issue carb wise to get straightened out so a few weeks or so.
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NICE!! 8-)
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Headlamp buckets repaired, repainted, rewired and reassembled what a pain... :P
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Looks good....there are a surprising number of parts/screws/wires/brackets associated with the grill...it's a real sub-assembly....
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Looks good....there are a surprising number of parts/screws/wires/brackets associated with the grill...it's a real sub-assembly....
Tricky little buggers
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I put mine together, attached the radiator and the shroud and then bolted it to the chassis...
They are heavy buggers too!
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Well, here it is the video of the first drive, I wish it were better but holding my iPhone and trying to drive a vehicle I have never driven in my life was not easy.. LOL
What a blast though, very happy no issues to report. After I took the video I was able to drive around again in all three gears and no issues. No strange noises or anything.
I am sure I have more work to do, but I am satisfied!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0REWX1d5hn8
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Kirkski,
The tires look great on the Jeep! Keep the updates going...............
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Hoo-ray! Looks good, sounds good, drives good! Nice job!
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Nice! Congratulations Kirk!
There is something very enjoyable about the first chassis trip. Heading out is a little nerve racking for me....but...I got an overwhelming sense of euphoria when heading back toward the shop...and it was still actually running. :)
A rule: Any skilled videographer knows to turn the phone to "landscape"!! Rookie! ;D
Tim
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Looks great, just an observation but that left front wheel seems to have a bit of a wobble.
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Tumbleweed Thanks I really like the tires as well, I am very happy with that choice
Ryan Thanks what a blast, I am so stoked, seems like I have really hit a milestone. My friend really revealed to me the impact when he reminded me it had not been driven in over 30 years!
Thanks Tim euphoria is a great word for the feeling! Really wish I had my GoPro... I will have it Tuesday morning I hope, that's when I plan to drive it again. And yes, I am a rookie! ;D :D
LeeC Good call on the tire wobble I need to take that wheel off and see what's up. I have been scratching my head trying to figure what it could possible be...
Thanks to you all and everyone on the forum, without the assistance no inspiration of all of the members here, it would be a lot harder.
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Driving her home for the shop!
Drove about 5 miles ran like a top!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SQu9W3oh-pg
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=88ELMAb_zHQ
Soon as I figure th GoPro out I will add those as well
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That may be the best chassis test drive video yet. No quiet residential street for you - right out into daily traffic!! Might as well start driving her to work now!
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That may be the best chassis test drive video yet.� No quiet residential street for you - right out into daily traffic!! Might as well start driving her to work now!
I was thinking the same thing. Cracked me up that its already got license plates! ;D
I'll be you got a few 'double takes'. 8-)
Tim
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Wow that's great! Post some gopro vids....those were too short!
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Loved the videos also, especially the "hi-speed" one in traffic. :)
Inspirational to those of us hoping to get there one day.
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Here is the GoPro view... No where near as entertaining as Ryans videos... please don't mind my driving... I'll get it sooner or later!
https://youtu.be/wxfNPg-MqaY
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I cannot stop drive by this thing... I should've Left it at the shop LOL
Anyway I did change the left front wheel and tire and the wobble is gone so my theory of the racked spare must have been it.
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That is awesome. I definitely need whatever it is that allows one to wear a GoPro on their head.
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Ryan I bought it at Best Buy but they we real cheap on Amazon... It's great for hands free operation
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My hats off Kirkski, I loved every mile of that ride. You and Ryan definitely have a gene pool connection...
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Thanks BMIC it was a blast!
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Well not too much to report, what I thought was going to be a very productive May turned out to be a bust.
Got sideswiped on my Harley on the highway little over a month ago, at least my injuries were non-critical, nothing broken even... I am very fortunate. With that said, still dealing with pain and limited movement.
Could not bear it any longer asked my wife to help me get the fenders on, hoping to do a little body work on those soon...
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Sorry to hear about the crash. You were, as you stated, very fortunate to walk away relatively unscathed. I used to love riding motorcycles but I'd be terrified to drive one now. You're just too exposed....not that a 3A is much more protective but at least you get a sense a partial shell around you.
Hope you are back up to full speed again soon.
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Thanks Ryan not really sure I'll ever ride again. Suburban vs Harley wakes you up quick.
I am itching to get the body work on the 3A completed, I need the wind in my hair lol.
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Finally felt well enough to start some body work, had to quit early but I got some done.
Brought the tub to the shop to start that as well..
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I am struck by a few things on your tub. First...it's in pretty darn nice condition. Also, I'm amazed how nicely done the add on is. That was not just thrown together. Are you keeping it?
Finally, what is the tag on the front of the passenger wheel house?
Tim
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Tim, what an eye for detail you have, I totally forgot about that...
I went and got the plaque out of my garage and the plot just thickens... I was always under the impression that this vehicle originated overseas... Not sure if this implies that or not. But, the plaque is very hard to read but here is what I got..
� �� �� �� �� �� �� �� �� �� �� �� �� � Jeep
� �� Marca Registrada � Marque Deposee
This vehicle manufactured under certain of the following patents
AFRICA� �� �� �� �ITALY� �� �� �� � GREAT BRITIAN� �� �� � CANADA
� �� �� �� �� � (BUNCH OF PATENT NUMBERS HERE)
� �� �� �WILLYS OVERLAND MOTORS INC, TOLEDO OHIO
Maybe thats why I had an oddball speedo? My cousin swears he never changed it. But, he may have had a lapse in memory.
Any ideas on how to best clean my original plaques? I am interested to see what the group thinks about this as a whole.
Photo insists on staying upside down...
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Interesting tag. That location is where the Willys Patent Plate (serial number tag) is located on M-38s.
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Wow, very cool tag. Definitely worth restoring. I've never seen a tag like this. I would only trust an assessment from Bob W. What do you think Bob?
Here is a post from a few years back discussing an approach I used to clean up my serial # tag. It was tedious, but it did turn out pretty nice.
http://www.cj3apage.com/cgi-bin/3Ayabb26/YaBB.pl?num=1326421946
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I'm not an expert on stuff like that but I'd sure do some research and try to save that tag.
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[size=12]Well guys as if there isn't enough strange happenings here on my little Jeep, I was shocked to not find ANY wood in my hat channels. In fact there was some metal surround to keep it from collapsing instead. :o
My "Crud Thug" found more holes than there initially appeared to be. :-/
I'll have to work around the tool box, since they lowered the right side to allow easier access, there is no way to get to the spot welds at the top.
Any ideas about the lack of wood? I thought all they used was wood... :o Am I wrong?.. Also I am sure this is the first time these have been removed since the Jeep was new... weird[/size]
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I received my shipment of panels from Classic Enterprises and I really have to say I am impressed with the materials. They appear to be well made.
There was one mix up in my order and the website says 24/7 your call will be answered, I just called and sure enough I believe that the owner answered...
Promised the issue would be taken care of with out issue... And I have no doubts.
Refreshing to deal with a USA manufacturer no get excellent service.
I highly recommend them
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Classic Ent. is a good outfit.� It doesn't surprise me they straightened out the mistake with a simple phone call.
I am baffled by the lack of wood in your channels.� I eliminate the wood and use similar spacers when I replace the channels, but I don't think yours are replacement channels.� They look original to me.
Tim
PS: The tag and the lack of wood makes me wonder if this tub was made by a foreign company under license by Willys. I know Mahindra did some Willys stuff, but I don't think they did a 3A version.
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Thanks for the reply Tim, I spoke with Classic again today, very accommodating, really nice folks to deal with.
I figure the best minds in the Jeep collection, restoration business are on this site, if they don't have the answers, I am outta luck.
I don't think they are replacements either... especially since I have known the Jeep since I was 11 or so years old, maybe earlier...
Fact is no one in that time has done any of this work..
More to come I am sure
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Well body work going slow, trying to fab with out the correct tools, and trying to weld with no experience...
Working out ok, in my opinion.... For what I can do myself
I guess the bottom line is, I am having fun, and the Jeep is getting completed along the way.
Keeping on plugging...
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Looks good. It will look even better as your skill develops. And they will. Welding is just one of those things you have to do to get better.
I found myself going back to fix many early welds on my first project. I wasn't getting good penetration.
Keep the updates coming!
Tim
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What type of welder are you using ?
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LeeC I am using a Hobart that belongs to my boss, using E0S7 wire I think it is with gas shielding.
Very new to mig welding, but really the more I do the more comfortable I am. I am hoping that when I get to working on panels that will be seen that I will be much better.
This coming week is my short week at work, so I hope to make a lot more progress this week.
Thanks
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A couple of the welds look like the shielding gas may not have been on, easy to forget. Not criticizing just a tip, I've been using a mig for over 30 years and I still forget it.
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LeeCThis nozzle is kinda gaffed up from the guys using it without shielding gas, I wonder if I should get a new nozzle and cup?
I appreciate the tip, I wouldn't know if the gas was enough or not
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If you're not using flux core wire you need shielding gas, invest in couple of new tips too and make sure they give you the correct size to match the wire you're using. Good luck.
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Also make sure the drive wheel in the welder is the right size for the wire... some you can adjust the drive pressure or like on my Lincoln you can just flip the drive wheel 180 degrees. Does the welder have a tip cleaner near by?? Typically a three fingered spring material that will slide inside the "cup" and clear all of the slag out of there. That will need to be cleaned regularly even under normal conditions and more so when you have an out of position weld. To make sure you have good penetration make sure to keep a good gap between the butted pieces. Eastwood (or cheaper on Ebay) have some panel clamps that do a great job of keeping the pieces aligned as well as maintaining the gap needed. http://www.eastwood.com/intergrip-panel-clamps-set-of-4.html
Good luck... and make sure to bounce around from one area to another when welding so you don't get the panel hot... I am still trying to figure out how to shrink metal after it gets too hot and oil cans :'(
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If you can figure out how to shrink metal let me know, been trying that for years, good tips on the welding.
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[size=12]Muddling through with my metal work... Tim welding sure does get better with every strike it seems. Not that I feel I am a welder or anything, but at least I am more comfortable with it. I get a little aggressive on my initial grinding.
As you can see in the pics I still have quite a bit of welding to do, the more metal I get tacked the more areas I can spread out my welding tacks.
The hat channel is just clamped for reference...[/size]
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Just another tip, when grinding try to use a hard wheel and grind just the weld where you can. It doesn't thin out the surrounding area so much, and you can use sheet metal screws to hold on the hat channel and weld up the holes after. Good luck.
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LeeC Thanks for the tips I appreciate it...
Lots of work but I am encouraged by the progress!!
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Finally completed most of the passenger side floor and side panel. Hope to get some friends to flip it over to the other side tonight so I can start the drivers side... :)
Took another ride on the frame last weekend, running great.. can't wait to get on the road! :D
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That's good progress! Channels look nice and tight to floor skins.
Tim
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Looks good, makes me want to get working on mine again. I'm in Mass. and you're close enough to know how the weather has been around here. Hottest August ever so far, not much fun welding. Working on a deal to paint a Triumph Tr4 Iin exchange for a new tub, would save me a lot of work see what happens. Good luck.
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[size=12] Got a bit accomplished this week, I got some friends together and flipped the Jeep over onto its passenger side and started to get the drivers side kick panel and floor ripped out. :-/
Lack of overtime at work has helped with the progress.
I can't believe how often I lull myself to sleep over this thing, dream about it, and then wake up with it on my mind...[/size] :D
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I can't believe how often I lull myself to sleep over this thing, dream about it, and then wake up with it on my mind...[/size] :D
Boy does that sound familiar.
My rebuild has pretty much come to an end. I'm going to be living precariously through you and the other builders. Keep the updates coming...or I'll have trouble sleeping. ;)
Are you keeping the top side add on?
Tim
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I can't believe how often I lull myself to sleep over this thing, dream about it, and then wake up with it on my mind...[/size] :D
Boy does that sound familiar.
My rebuild has pretty much come to an end.� I'm going to be living precariously through you and the other builders.� Keep the updates coming...or I'll have trouble sleeping. ;)
Are you keeping the top side add on?
Tim
Tim glad I can assist in your fix!!
I plan on keeping the Jeep the way I got it, other than the front floor on the passenger side. That had a flat piece of sheet metal to make it level with the top of the tool box. With that there it would be impossible to have a passenger seat, which I want to have.
Thanks
Kirk
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Well, this is how I left it the other day... :)
Progress is happening... ;)
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It looks good...With each new panel the tub just gets stiffer and there are fewer holes to fill!
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It looks good...With each new panel the tub just gets stiffer and there are fewer holes to fill!
Thanks Randy It sure is getting there
One thing to note, when I started this project I had no welding experience with MIG. I thought all of the issue I was having was me and my technique.
Turns out after burning through a 2 lb roll of wire that my boss got me from "Advanced Auto Parts" my welds looked no better, had little penetration and I had to grind my backside off to make them look decent..
Well, I went t a local welding supply house and I picked up a new roll of the same spec wire size, grade etc... and what a difference it made..
Beautiful welds, nice penetration and easy clean up... Boy did I learn a valuable lesson... Don't buy crappy wire... >:(
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Long after I finished mine I read that there is a special wire for body work that produces a softer weld..easier to grind....but I don't know any more about it than that...I bought wire with the welder and still have some left..
As with so many things, by the time you are done you will be pretty good at it...and ready for the next one!
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[size=12]Well, front floor pans are in and now its time to tackle the rear pan... :o
You can see from the underside, the U-Shaped rear seating that was created.
Sorry not sure how to roll the pictures[/size]
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Long after I finished mine I read that there is a special wire for body work that produces a softer weld..easier to grind....quote]
Amateur here also . . the wire I am using was very cheap -> came from the scrap pile at work. . it is really "hard". . . something easier to grind would be nice. ;D
Kirkski . . love your thread, but have to admit I am confused about the rear pan photos.?
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but have to admit I am confused about the rear pan photos.?
In what respect?
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My bad . . I forgot yours had the special "wire-mesh mod".
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[size=12]Got quite a bit accomplished the past two days. Just need to flip her over and graft in the passenger side cowl support
Then its off to media blast.. :D :D :D
We'll see what comes back... :o[/size]
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You are cookin' now!
Looks great...hope the media blast doesn't find any new holes....
Randy
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Very nice. I love the way the ribbed cargo floor looks when fresh and new. I know the replacements are pricey, but I die a little inside when folks choose to use a flat sheet back there. I'm excited for you. I'll bet you're ready to be done with the big patchwork. [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
Tim
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[size=12]Thank you Randy, I hope they don't find any holes as well... although now would be the time
Thanks Tim, I could not fathom using flat sheet steel, I hated to buy the panel, but I was faced with little option. I could have repairs my original floor but the time would have been too much. With my Uncle turning 92... lets be honest time is ticking.
I am so done with patching metal... maybe if I had it at my own shop and didn't have the pressure I have in my mind, it would be more pleasurable.[/size]
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[size=12]Well, here it is horizontal for the first time since May 23rd 2014, just a few bits more and off to the media blast...
I think I said that earlier... LOL[/size]� � ::)
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I can't help thinking that I've seen that type body before, with the raised back.
Seems they were used for cave or canyon tours but I cannot find a picture...
Randy
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[size=12]Well, Picked up the body from the media blaster, and I am pleased with what has come back. Just a few spots that need attention. Hope to have it ready for paint next weekend[/size] :D
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I forgot how cool your tub is. Seeing it upright brought it all back. [smiley=thumbsup.gif] [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
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[size=12]Thanks Tim if my project comes out half as good as yours I'll be very happy[/size]
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More pictures of body work and finally some paint....
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I'm lovin the color!� Show us more. 8-)
Edit... I know what you've been doing. You've just been sitting out there, for hours on end, staring at it. Right?
Be honest. Your excitement won't let you break free. ;D
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Thanks Tim you're darn right, I stare at it constantly.. ;D
Its hard to make progress cause I keep looking where I am and where I was...
More pics soon... big push to get this to my Uncles 92nd birthday party on Jan 1st weather permitting! :)
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Kinda funny to get excited about shiny pictures of the undersides of a Willys Jeep! Looks great!
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Looking real good.
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Getting some action over the holidays. Thankful the weather has been nice enough
Amazingly my bolts holes line up... ;D
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Well I think it looks great.....that body is really interesting....I think you said it came from an orchard or nursery? Gotta wonder if it wasn't a special order....
Randy
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Thanks Randy I hope to get a lot done this weekend too.
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I'm lovin' this Willys! [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
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Thanks Tim I appreciate it! Me too !!! :D
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Beautiful. I really like the dark gray with contrasting wheel color!
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Thanks Dave that is one thing I agonized over, I knew I wanted a grey, but what shade...? Once I picked the wheel color, this grey seemed right.
Still a ways to go...
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I'm really glad you opted to keep the "addition". Normally I'd encourage eliminating anything that wasn't stock but the extras on that tub are so old and well done that they really are a unique part of that Willys' history.
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Thanks Ryan I agree wholeheartedly, I'm glad I kept it
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Love the color!
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Bolt on a few things stare, repeat...
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Take your time....this is the fun part!
Will you put an outside mirror on the passenger side?
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Randy Thanks for the advice
I do not plan on a right side mirror
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Randy makes a great point. Having a passenger side mirror would seem to be a 'must have' on this one. A regular tub has 'line of site' issues on the passenger side. I've seriously considered adding a passenger side mirror to mine.
Tim
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You may already have a plan, but when I put my hood on I tried a couple of ways and what worked best was to put a thick towel or pad on the cowl, lean the hood against the windshield and then maneuver things around and get a couple of bolts started. I got my wife to help hold things in place. You may have to use longer bolts initially and then replace them later when all is stable....and don't forget the drip rail...
When I first put my full enclosure on I went for a drive and soon realized that I could not really move over to the right lane 'cause I couldn't even see a Peterbuilt if there had been one there....so I took the side curtains off...but I searched for a mirror for the right side and then the weather warmed and I forgot about it....
Your jeep looks great.....did you get the headlight rims re-chromed? They look good....the only bit of chrome on the Willys...
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Thanks for the advice Randy and the follow up Tim I think I will heed the advice and get a mirror for the right side. I guess it does make sense.
Randy I have been taking things as I go, I have to work this weekend but I hope that next week I get enough done to bolt on the fenders and the hood. Good advice once again on the hood installation procedure. I was wondering how I was going to manage that.
I purchased the trim rings from Walcks I think they were pretty decent quality as well. The originals were toast, very pitted and damaged. I didn't see the point in trying to save them.
Those are the headlamps that I got the Jeep with and they still work, they cleaned up nicely.
Looking forward to next week, should get a lot done
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I also used a blanket on the cowl when installing the hood.
Bob W suggested a hood installation technique that I used on Whitey.
I made a couple studs by cutting the hex heads off 1/4-20 bolts. Installed the studs, slipped on the rain gutter, then positioned the hood. I quickly added nuts to the studs. After alignment, I set the regular bolts in the remaining holes, pulled the studs and replaced them with the regular bolts. Pretty slick installation aid.
Tim
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Tim Thanks, I think I remember that tip now...o
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Thinking about my hood installation later this week I hope. Does the drip rail go on before the hood hinge or after?
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I found an old picture...
Looks like it's under the hood hinge.
I'm pretty sure I did it wrong the first try and it was apparent....
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Thanks again Randy, I actually made two 1/4"-20 studs today in anticipation of Jeep work this week. At least if the weather holds out.
We had about 10" of snow yesterday and temps in the 20's
Bit chilly in my garage with no heat.... :P
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Thanks again Randy, I actually made two 1/4"-20 studs today in anticipation of Jeep work this week. At least if the weather holds out.
We had about 10" of snow yesterday and temps in the 20's
Bit chilly in my garage with no heat.... :P
I learned about that stud trick on the Model A Ford Forum. It works great for aligning the oil pan before dropping it into place and can also help when aligning the engine and transmission during an install.....
Wish I had known about it when I did my hood but we managed.
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I also used a small amount of RTV sealant on the back side of the gutter. I figured it might help water run into the gutter, rather than behind the edge.
Tim
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Been puttering along on my cold garage, progress is very slow.
Currently my biggest angst is the windshield is kicking my butt, can't seem to get it back far enough. May be the new cowl seal I bought from Walcks is too thick.
Any tips would be appreciated...
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I had the same issue with the cowl seal on Whitey that was purchased from Walcks. I can barely engaged the hold down brackets. It forces the windshield to sit up straighter than the setup on my green Willys. Otherwise it seals well.
I was unhappy with my original seal on the green one too. I swapped it out with one I got from a different vendor. I really like this one. I think it was Ron Fitzpatrick, but I can't remember for sure. :-/
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Thanks for the reply Tim, I'll probably try to get another one and go from there. At least I'm not tempted to go for a ride now, the salt on the roads is incredible. Town and state surely using their budgets to the max this year...
Kirk
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Todays Glamour photo...
Bout it back to the garage today, need to finish up the wiring, upholstery and few odds and ends..
Drove nice with the body on for the first time...
Need to charge my dang GoPro... :(
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Photos from last week... Snow gone thankfully
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Wow. That really looks sharp!
Did you end up with a different cowl to windshield seal?
Is the passenger side mirror helpful?
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Tim, Thank you, I appreciate the kind words
I have not yet purchased another window frame seal, but I plan on it. I did adjust the frame so I was able to get it latched. But the seal doesn't look quite right, and unlatching may be an issue...
The passenger side mirror helps me a great deal, I am glad I went with it
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Really nice...
You are lucky to have a truly unique jeep.....maybe one of a kind!
Randy
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Thank you Randy I think so as well, wish I knew how to rotate pictures...
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Well after spending tons of money with the Walcks, I was able to visit them yesterday and pick up some more items.
Real nice guys and glad I can help support their small business.
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About your windshield seal, maybe wait till summer and see if it will reshape in the warmth to fit. Cold rubber doesn't move.
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mtnman37879 Top tip thanks, I was actually thinking about doing that, this cold is not helping it at all for sure.
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Kirkski,
Wow it looks great. The color combo is tops. I want wheels that color!
And nice shots of Walcks....oh man it would be fun to tour that place!
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squidtone Thanks so much for the compliments I appreciate that. The wheel color is "Hugger Orange", I picked the wheel color before the body color, and I am happy with it.
It was great to be able to visit Walcks and talk to Carl and Daniel. Great guys and really made me appreciate what they do. Its a small family business and they have treated me very well service wise. And, any time I have had a question about anything related to my Jeep they have been there to answer without question.
They have an amazing amount of stuff, I recommend a visit!
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Just under 200 miles on my shake down runs and just a few weeks here and there. Otherwise, everything seems fine...
Little rough sitting on a board... ouch :-/
Nice to see all the waves and hear the comments... also was having coffee in a local shop and watched someone snap pics of MY ride!! That was awesome...
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Little rough sitting on a board... ouch� � :-/
Swipe your Wife's pillow. ;D
This is such a unique Willys. I suspect it would garner a lot of attention even it you were surrounded by a dozen Willys Jeeps.
Truly beautiful work.
Tim
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Thanks Tim, much appreciated!
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You must have plans for seat cushions....
I went with the full 6" or so thick foam filled original style from Beachwood Canvas.
You sit pretty high....high enough for me that I need to choose between looking over the windshield frame or stooping a little to look through the windshield...
I almost replaced them with the thinner 2a style.
I still might....
I bought the ones that were made with a plywood base and the "T" nuts were already installed and they fit perfectly......
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You must have plans for seat cushions....
I went with the full 6" or so thick foam filled original style from Beachwood Canvas.
You sit pretty high....high enough for me that I need to choose between looking over the windshield frame or stooping a little to look through the windshield...
I almost replaced them with the thinner 2a style.
I still might....
I bought the ones that were made with a plywood base and the "T" nuts were already installed and they fit perfectly......
This made me smile. :) I went through this exact same issue!
I'm not tall, but still seemed to slouch down a bit while driving. I did pull the trigger and changed from the 6" cushion to the 3" cushion. For me, it was a good decision.
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It probably would't be as bad if the cushions were actually springs...you'd probably sink a couple inches into the seat bottom...but for now the foam is pretty firm...
I put seat belts in just so I didn't feel like I was gonna get thrown from my perch!
Good to know I'm not alone :D...I could probably take the present cushions apart and cut them down...but that might just end up being a mess.. >:(
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Randy, I have gone to a local shop to get a price on the interior...
Otherwise, I may attempt it myself...
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That's what I may eventually do if I decide to get thinner seat bottoms.....I really just wanted to point out the difference between the 3 and 6" seat cushions....
Do you think you will go with 3" or the 6" ?
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Randy, I'm thinking that I may go thinner. The shop I spoke to told me about a 1" foam that is expensive that they can laminate together to build it up.
Im thinking of having them set up a 2" foam setup and then letting me try it out.
On elf the benefits of working with a local shop. Because my back seating area is custom, I fell I need to go local or do it myself...
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Well, I have been driving the Jeep around quite a bit, just about 750 miles on her since I put her together
The town where I grew up and my Uncle lives asked him to be in the Memorial Day Parade as the oldest Male resident and the oldest WW2 Vet! I was pleased he asked me to take him in the Jeep... however the parade ended up being cancelled due to rain.
I hope we can try again next year!
Not to be daunted I took a ride to his home on Friday and was able to take him for a short ride after lunch. My cousin took the picture so looks kinda funky.
Next pic is the Jeep at the Point Judith lighthouse in Rhode Island
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A beautiful Willys at the beach. Man it can't get much better! I'm going to the Cape this summer and it sure would be cool to have a CJ3A to bop around in there, but I'd probably get run off Rt 6. Haha
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The other day I went to drive the Jeep on the farm I grew up on, nice afternoon out in the country. On a lark, I decided to see if the man that went with my Uncle in 1954 to get the Jeep in NY was home and he was...
He was surprised to see me and the Jeep. Nice to hear his side of the story, what an adventure in the winter of '54 that must have been
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Working through the wood project that the upholstery will attach too in the rear.
Wish I could take credit for this myself, but I hired this out, I feel like he is doing a great job, retired carpenter that absolutely loves this Jeep.
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Very nice.....it's cool to see the techniques used to make the curved pieces and to hold them in place. Did he soak those corner pieces or put them on dry? In the model airplane world it's common to soak wood in ammonia and water to help form curved pieces...
Picked a fabric yet?
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Thanks Randy I am not sure if he soaked them, he did the pre work at his place and then did the finishing touches at my house.
He was really cheap, quoted me $250 and then only charged me $200, I gave him the $250 cause he really did a great job and worked 8 hours straight yesterday. And no breaks... I was impressed.
I'm sorry I didn't take a picture after he finished cause we went right to the upholstery shop with the vehicle and they took the wood out for covering.
Going with a grey vinyl, so the weather won't be a factor.
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Here are some pics of my upholstery installed, comfy... :)
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Wow. That looks superb! Excellent craftsmanship.
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That. Is. Cool.
BTW I spy an AZ historic vehicle plate on the wall. I still have 1 of the HV plates from my old '49 dodge 1/2T PU that I sold years ago dated '77.
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Thank you Tim and Rick,
LOL, good catch on the plate, another hobby I have... :D
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Finally took Uncle in Parade!
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Awesome!!!
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Thanks Tim, I was so proud of him and he loved the Jeep and was telling everyone about it. We had a great time
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Wow I cannot believe that I have not posted anything here since 6-15-18... where has time gone. Since then wife asked for and received a divorce, I met another woman who is wonderful and we got married... WOW
To write it down seems out there, but thats what happened.
Anyway, my wife and I love the Willys and so do the grand babies.
As a note of interest I was able to take my Uncle now 95 and drive him in his old Jeep in the memorial Day Parade again in 2019...
Just over 4500 Miles on her now...