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Title: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on February 04, 2013, 11:14:59 PM: It was suggested that I start a thread to get some opinions on whether I should buy a truckload of repair panels or a replacement tub....Now I've read several threads on the tubs and realize they too require lots of work. The trouble with the repair panels is that I have little welding experience, and no welder...I'm willing to learn..but first some pictures..

Realize that what you are looking at on the floors is the first replacement panel that has rusted through. In the case of the drivers side there are three layers of floor...The tool box is welded over as is the riser and the area behind the seats....Frame has no rust through and appears solid.

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Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on February 04, 2013, 11:16:29 PM: A couple more....
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: athawk11 on February 05, 2013, 12:09:53 AM: Randy,
You and I find ourselves in a similar position. ï¿½We both have tubs that are very rough. ï¿½I am normally the type that would encourage you to work on your welding skills. ï¿½A nice little wire feed is easy to use and quite handy beyond a Willys. ï¿½I did this level of work on my first 3A. ï¿½Tub repair added a full year to my 2 year build. ï¿½If you are in no hurry, improve your welding skills and repair your tub. ï¿½There is a huge batch of self satisfaction waiting for you. ï¿½

On the other hand, if patience is not in your cards and you have fairly deep pockets, a replacement tub may be a better choice. ï¿½As you have read, there will be work to do, but no where near as much.

Perhaps you can find an original doner tub that is in better condition than yours. ï¿½The draw back here is you will still, most likely, have work to do. ï¿½And it make take some time to find one. ï¿½

I have a Willys to drive now, so the decision is easy. ï¿½I have decided to look for a doner tub. ï¿½

You've got a nice CJ5 to drive, and many other 3A micro projects to tackle. ï¿½You could look for a tub while you fix other sub-groups. ï¿½

I know...I didn't help at all. ;) ï¿½

Tim ï¿½
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: bretto on February 05, 2013, 06:52:09 AM: The best thing to do is not ponder on the whole thing and take it one piece at a time. If you look at all the rust and holes as a whole package, it can be overwhelming. I found that once a section was trimmed of the bad metal and you have a nice edge to work with, fabbing in a new piece was relatively easy.

It sounds like you have read up on the nightmares of what a new tub entails. With the price of a new tub and all the time it takes to work it, I feel you would be better off diverting that money to tools to fix your current tub or a donor tub.

Either road you take, you will still have to do some fab work. Welding equipment is an investment but once you have it figured out and have the equipment, you will never understand how you went without. I had never done any body work myself before the M38 came along and I think I have done ok. Being relatively all flat panels, I am certain it's a good learning platform.
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on February 05, 2013, 09:26:04 AM: I think deep down I agree with you guys. Going after it step by step and getting a few solid parts in there to build on might be the way to go. I'll need a welder either way, so I should get that first. Then maybe a nibbler or a 4 1/2" grinder or probably both. Worst case is I'll cut away the rust and not find enough steel to work with.

I think floor boards should be first and then work back from there. I can't separate the body from the frame as I think I'll end up with two or more sections.. right now I have sort of a fixture to hold things in place while adding new parts...

I know there have been worse jeeps that have been brought back...
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: johnrb3b on February 05, 2013, 11:21:55 AM: Quote
Worst case is I'll cut away the rust and not find enough steel to work with.
That's what we ran into trying to salvage a 1957 3B tub. Kept cutting farther and farther up the side of the tub and never could find any shiny metal. The steel was rusted to the core even under the paint.

We broke down and bought an MD Juan tub through Walck's. Actually, it fit pretty well, just a little tweaking here and there.
Of course you have a flat dash to work with - no dent for the hand brake, no angle for the steering tube bracket, no hole for gauges, no floorboard holes for the pedals, etc. etc. For the price ($2,200 and free shipping to our door) we felt it was a fair deal.

That all worked out fine for us as this is not a period-authentic rebuild. We added a stereo to the dash along with cool switches for all the electrical functions, a YJ back seat, aftermarket roll bar, Amazon seat belts. You get the idea.
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: F Bill on February 05, 2013, 12:42:24 PM: One thing you might consider is using the general shape of the old parts to make simpler versions of the new parts out of slightly heavier steel.. Leaving out the stiffening ribs, substituting more bracing under the bed floor, etc, can get you a good useable tub that is no longer stock but functions well, for a lot less than a new tub.

I wouldn't get too worried about cutting your tub apart to rebuild it. If your dash, cowl top, and firewall are good, you can build the rest. It is in teh making thaings exactly like original that the expense comes. If you aren't fussy you can still have a good looking jeep for a lot less. (Leaving the tailgate out ala the WWII and DJ tubs will save a bunch of time too.)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on February 05, 2013, 01:01:26 PM: Not finding enough metal is definitely possible...as I look at the drivers side around the fuel filler indentation I see that it is reasonably smooth...it does not have the visible overlap that it should have where the fuel filler indent was welded in....so there is putty there... probably the whole side will have a skim coat of putty....and what is under that bondo is anybody's guess..

I think I'll start by drilling out the rivets that hold the overlapping floor boards in place and see what is there...my decision my be an easy one after I see what is left....
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on February 05, 2013, 01:33:19 PM: So, ten minutes with a drill and the first layer is out. The second layer is held in with bucked rivets so it may not come out so easily....the heavier panel is held in with a bolt..I'm nearing the point-of-no-return..

And the spiral deep space willys nebula...
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on February 05, 2013, 01:51:39 PM: More......and now I see that the body side panel on the drivers side has at least two layers, so there is (was) steel layered over steel there too....
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: Carls_jeep on February 05, 2013, 02:25:31 PM: I think at this point you should start looking at what body panels you can get and the total price of the panels you will need. Then look at the prices of a repo tub and compare the prices. Then remember that you will have to put all those panels in your current tub. Now you have to decide is it worth rebuilding your tub compared to buying a tub and modifying it to work for you.
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on February 05, 2013, 02:47:54 PM: Quote
I think at this point you should start looking at what body panels you can get and the total price of the panels you will need. Then look at the prices of a repo tub and compare the prices. Then remember that you will have to put all those panels in your current tub. Now you have to decide is it worth rebuilding your tub compared to buying a tub and modifying it to work for you.

Thanks Carl,

I sorta did that. Hoping to retain everything from the grill back to the dash/toe boards, I came up with about $1800 for parts from Classic Ent, before shipping. I guess you could sort of consider a tub to be the same collection of parts, it just happens to be assembled, and probably some quality differences. Most offer free shipping.....so that is nearly a push..

There is a complete running driving 3a near here that is nearly rust free, has a few extra holes in the body, including an f-head with the hole in the hood and wide chrome rims.....asking price is about the same as a repli-tub less shipping...but it is a complete jeep, with the wrong engine.

I was hoping to "save" this one.. I hate to strip it to save another, but that may be the only option......and really, that was the original intent, buy this one or one like it and use it's parts to return the other to stock, the $$$$ just got out of hand. ï¿½
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: F Bill on February 05, 2013, 06:25:55 PM: Consider buying the cowl sides with steps, the quarter panels, and a solid rear panel from classic, and making all the wheelhouse and floor pieces yourself. You will have the option to make your own length wheelhouses to allow whatever size seat you want that way. THe floor can be all built with 16 gage or even thin diamond plate, and hat channels can be made with tubing.

For a similar made from nothing jeep see Mike Gardner's build thread over on the 2A page. He built a 45 from a badly rotted tub, and it came out great!

EDIT... four side panels from Classic are $720. ï¿½The rear panel is $4xx or so. You can make your own rear panel for that. ï¿½Their rear floor is $270, Omix gets $350 but theirs includes the riser. THe rear floor is a simple box, with ribs, If you don't need the ribs you can use 16 gage to build it and spend a lot less. You could buy a bead roller and dies to make your own but it isn't quite that simple as rolling 8 ribs in, as it will get all warped if you don't prestretch where the ribs go.
SECOND EDIT:
http://www.thecj2apage.com/forums/my-winter-project-built-my-own-tub_topic21822.html

Check out Phil's tub building adventure....No Classic parts involved!
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on February 05, 2013, 07:35:41 PM: Oh boy....you haven't seen my garage...I'd love to have all those tools and a place to put them...Looked at a welder (Miller 211) today, and drooled over the plasma cutter..I did buy a 4 1/2" side grinder and a couple of discs..

I have most of the old replacement floor up on the drivers side...The only real positive part is that in comparing the pax side to the drivers side the pax side now looks really good!!

That riser is gone..I was hoping there would be something left to weld to.....but I have not written off the tub yet..

Here is the original floor...
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: F Bill on February 05, 2013, 08:00:29 PM: Here is Mike Gardners tub rebuild , scattered over the first ten pages or so..

http://www.thecj2apage.com/forums/7-years-of-work-a-lifetime-of-fun_topic6702_page1.html?KW=45

Ihope you have seen the tub rebuilding FAQ.... http://www.thecj2apage.com/forums/tub-rebuilding-information-thread_topic21836.html That reminds me I need to cut and paste that one over here..
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on February 05, 2013, 08:17:39 PM: Bill,

I'd seen the FAQ....the other thread is pretty amazing.......

My center hump is gone behind the curved center hat channel to the riser...part of the tool box floor is still there. Lid is in there under the plate they welded on...I'm trying to decide if I should remove the tool box and the rest of the added overlays....I may then have a two piece tub, not unlike the one we looked at yesterday that had spent ten years out in a field...

Randy
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: F Bill on February 05, 2013, 08:20:33 PM: If you don't pull the toolbox off you can't really fix the floor.
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: F Bill on February 05, 2013, 08:23:23 PM: Also... if the upper lip of your tub is still in good shape, you can splice in metal underneath it, right at the corner of the tub top. That will save you from having to hammer form the upper compound curves. The lower lip is simple to make compared to the upper. ï¿½It really isn't that hard to make the bottom portion of all the tub sides, and the top inch or so is usually still good. That would save you.....$720 minus one sheet of steel.

Also, if you choose not to reinstall the toolbox, you will be eliminating one of the prime rustout areas....You will have to modify the seat frame to hinge from the floor instead of the toolbox top.

Midwest Military makes a center hat channel piece that is curved and is well worth buying to repair that area. SO far nobody makes the tranny tunnel, so you will need to piece that in. All the front floor patch panels are oversize so you can splice into the edge of the tunnel somewhat. Those particualar panels are flat steel, a jigsaw would do a good job of cutting out a set from a steel sheet.
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on February 05, 2013, 08:24:49 PM: I agree....I guess I've already gone beyond the point of no return....Time to get the grinder going...
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on February 05, 2013, 09:58:52 PM: Tool box is out..

there is another layer of riveted in panels...

They used brass rivets....
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: SteveB on February 05, 2013, 10:05:59 PM: I'm having the same dilemma, save and repair or new tub. I think I'll start cutting out rust, then figure what I need for panels and do the math.
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on February 05, 2013, 10:50:28 PM: So now I'm beginning to think that if I first were to replace the floor of the bed, I would then have something to attach the floor riser to...and with the riser in place then the floor panels could go in, and then hat channels to follow...and after that the rear valance and tail light panels. The curved rear corners could be a challenge.....

The wheel houses need some work but they are mostly intact...sides are another matter...but with the floors in place I would have something to align the front quarter panels to....

This might work....
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: Carls_jeep on February 05, 2013, 11:11:07 PM: 1955, If the other CJ3 tub is solid you should very seriously consider buying it and fixing it up with parts from the rusted out Jeep. You can swap out the F engine and use the unmodified hood.
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on February 05, 2013, 11:26:01 PM: Quote
1955, If the other CJ3 tub is solid you should very seriously consider buying it and fixing it up with parts from the rusted out Jeep. You can swap out the F engine and use the unmodified hood.

Yes..these two jeeps were almost meant for each other. What ever the one is missing...wheels, engine, windshield wiper motor, hood, PTO, the other has. And what the rusty one is missing, the other has....a solid body....

I just re-calculated the parts from Classic Ent. $2210, and I've almost certainly left a few things out....

The rusty jeep, in addition to a body, needs all the brake components, front and rear spring packs and shackles all around, an easy extra 1K.....tranny is an unknown....The other drives and stops.....

This has been an experience so far but the outcome is still very uncertain.

Randy
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: johnrb3b on February 06, 2013, 09:31:59 AM: Quote
Yes..these two jeeps were almost meant for each other. What ever the one is missing...wheels, engine, windshield wiper motor, hood, PTO, the other has. And what the rusty one is missing, the other has....a solid body....

The rusty jeep, in addition to a body, needs all the brake components, front and rear spring packs and shackles all around, an easy extra 1K.....tranny is an unknown....The other drives and stops.....
Sounds like a good case of "the two shall become one". :)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: CJPilot on February 06, 2013, 10:29:46 AM: My 2 cents.

Iï¿½m currently ï¿½savingï¿½ a jeep that was in similar shape to yours. I did the math, adding up the replacement panels from classic. It came out the same price as a repo tub. I have considerable welding / sheet metal experience. I looked in vein for 6 months for a donor. I ended up buying a whole body kit from Walcks. I want it to look right but I donï¿½t need a show piece.

Someone on the 2A page said it best ï¿½Think of the repo tub/body kit as a starting point.ï¿½
I have put a lot of work into mine and I have a long way to go. Just about nothing lines up and I fine I have to rework everything.

I think a repo body has a place in the restoration of Jeeps. Here in the Northeast finding a good body on a 60 year old un-restored donor Jeep is hard to do.

If I had to do it over this is the order Iï¿½d go:

Look longer and harder for a donor

Buy the panels from Classic

Buy a kit from Jay at Willys Overland

And last buy the standard repo kit

Best Of Luck, Steve
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: Carls_jeep on February 06, 2013, 10:41:44 AM: Randy, I am just trying to save you a lot of money and work. I paid $1800 for my Jeep and should have paid $1000 or less. I now have about $8000 in it and it's still a rough and tumble looking Jeep needing a lot of body work.

I believe at this point I would make one jeep out of two.
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on February 06, 2013, 10:46:41 AM: Thanks Steve,

I read your thread.

I have been in touch with Jay at W-O, and plan to call him today...

I do think that getting that other jeep will be the best in terms of getting an original tub. In that case, this jeep will become the donor...and then what to do with what is left? I know I'll try to save it...it might be a few years but I don't think I'd part out whatever would be left....

I could put those chrome wheels on it from the other and then install the f-head and the hood with the hole........doing that to an old CJ is just wrong....but it would keep it rolling until something else could be done...

My idea was to get ï¿½only one flat-fender! How's that working for me?
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on February 06, 2013, 02:26:15 PM: Quote
Randy, I am just trying to save you a lot of money and work. I paid $1800 for my Jeep and should have paid $1000 or less. I now have about $8000 in it and it's still a rough and tumble looking Jeep needing a lot of body work.

I believe at this point I would make one jeep out of two.

I paid 1500 for this one and less than 1000 would have been more reasonable...But I have it now and I need to sort this out in my head. Saving the old tub seems unlikely. A lot of work as you pointed out, a big expense and I just will not be able to get all the rust...The only panels that are not rusted are the hood and grill, everything that salt from the roads splashed on is toast...

I'll wait until I hear from the fellow who is cleaning the radiator and go from there...

The inside of the tool box lid still has the original color....
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on February 06, 2013, 09:25:39 PM: I've made a decision...

I will forge ahead with repairing the brakes, suspension, getting the engine rebuilt and overhauling the transmission. during this time I will keep an eye out for a donor body.

The one near here is just too expensive..the owner won't budge...I really don't need another jeep to store....and there is something about it that bothers me a little.

It is not perfect, several of the rear valance supports are broken and the back corners are diamond plate...must be something under there that they wanted to hide...The rear road spring brackets have been broken off at one time or another, one was welded back on and the other is bolted to the frame. I crawled around under it for an hour...he had it in his shop with carpet on the floor...and did not feel good enough about it to make an offer...

So, if a donor doesn't show up I'll order a repro from either Kaiser-Willys or Replitub....

Thanks to everyone for their suggestions.....updates to follow...

Randy
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: athawk11 on February 06, 2013, 10:36:51 PM: Randy,

Great approach. Something will come along when you least expect it. It's karma!! Positive thoughts...positive results.

We're all here for you man!!

Tim
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on February 06, 2013, 11:06:17 PM: Tim,

Thanks for that!

And you are right about the Karma. I just know this will work out.....something tells me that the other 3A is not the solution...This rusty little jeep has smitten me...

Randy
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on February 07, 2013, 09:42:56 PM: A friend who has several jeeps came over today to look at the "new" 3a. He commented that the rust looks worse in person than it did in the pictures. But we talked about it and I think it was F Bill who first suggested just making my own floor boards.

I can make the template, but I'll leave the cutting to a local shop. I'll try to fit them in. ï¿½I think it's gonna work...
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: bretto on February 07, 2013, 11:05:32 PM: That's what I did on mine. ï¿½My floor was a bit more solid, but used its pieces I cut out as a pattern. ï¿½ Was able to pick up my sheet material for cheap at a local sheet metal shop that sold remnants from their jobs. ï¿½The pics are somewhere in my photo page. ï¿½Looks like you are moving forward in fixing what you have. ï¿½Good on ya. ï¿½Did you purchase a welder?
What's your location anyway, I see you are in SE Idaho according to your profile.
Brett
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on February 07, 2013, 11:20:08 PM: No welder yet....I'll visit the sheet metal shop tomorrow and see what happens...

Need to fix my profile...I got my SW and SE mixed up....I'm in Boise....still not all that far away....
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on February 07, 2013, 11:34:40 PM: Quote
That's what I did on mine. ï¿½My floor was a bit more solid, but used its pieces I cut out as a pattern. ï¿½ Was able to pick up my sheet material for cheap at a local sheet metal shop that sold remnants from their jobs. ï¿½The pics are somewhere in my photo page. ï¿½Looks like you are moving forward in fixing what you have. ï¿½Good on ya. ï¿½Did you purchase a welder?
What's your location anyway, I see you are in SE Idaho according to your profile.
Brett

I just went through about 200 of your pictures....amazing and very informative. I like the way you bent the edges up on you floor panel..

Do you use a nibbler or a power shear?

Where did you get those hat channels?
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: bretto on February 08, 2013, 06:33:21 AM: I just used a real thin cut off wheel in my angle grinder to make all my sheet cuts. I always tend to do things economically and try to use what I can make due with what I have at the house.
For the hats, I had the same sheet metal shop fold those. I gave them a sample of the old hats and they just bent me straight lengths then I cut and welded as needed. I got the hats cut and braked, the sheet for my floors (both in 16 gauge) then enough 18 gauge material for other patch work all for $60. Saves a ton of $ if you put in in your own labor in anything you can do yourself.
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: CJPilot on February 08, 2013, 09:19:43 AM: Great choice!!

You have started down a road to fix up your old Jeep that will have more rewards than a ï¿½fixed up Jeep when you are done. ï¿½

Best of luck
Steve
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on February 08, 2013, 09:45:36 AM: I have a grinder....nibblers are pretty expensive but you can get an attachment for a hand drill that is not too bad...I'll try the angle grinder route first....

Thanks Steve...I really am enjoying this..I look forward to it everyday..
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: F Bill on February 08, 2013, 10:55:17 AM: A $35 jigsaw with a fine blade will do an acceptable job of cutting out to a measured line on steel. I made most of a Ford pickup cab in college that way. It gets noisy, and you need to support your cut well while cutting it...If you have a particularly intricate cut to do you can clamp the metal to plywoood and sacrifice the plywood toa ï¿½decent cut.

For straight cuts you can get at thin blade for your angle grinder Wear eye protection (goggles and face shield)and breathing masks as it is a dirty process. There are air powered cutoff tools that are inexpensive if you have the air to run them.

I see you have found posterboard or similar to use designing your patches....It is great stuff and essential to get things to fit properly.

I have purchased both Harbor Fright sheet metal shears and they are not bad at all. For the price point they sell at they are pretty darn good. A jigsaw is more controllable however.

Your local Lowes ï¿½and Home Depot have Wiss sheet metal shears, you will need one left hand and one right hand set, to cut in both directions. Prepare to build up your grip! I don't use the ones that look like scissors, the compound ones do it better for less effort.
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on February 08, 2013, 01:04:02 PM: I have a good jigsaw, and a compressor...and I've got the wiss shears but maybe a new (sharp!) pair would be a good purchase...

Going to get some Por-15 and some sheet metal today....stay tuned....
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on February 08, 2013, 10:53:11 PM: It turns out sheet metal is kind of expensive. Two pieces large enough to make floor panels is about $75....then it needs to be cut. I can get a Bosch nibbler at the local rental place for $36 for 24 hours. I could easily get these cut out and ready to install, but I'm beginning to question whether or not there is anything to weld to..

There is a lot of empty space here...and the sides are in really poor shape..they already have an overlay panel on the outside....and no lip ï¿½along the bottom edge...

And there is a big hole that needs covering, with no support.
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: calvinhunt on February 09, 2013, 02:28:23 AM: Randy,
  You've surely seen the many posts on the ills and woes of a MD Juan reproduction body. I have one and many of such posts were mine. However the ills and woes are all surmountable. Just look at the many completed Jeeps to prove it. However, during the year and a half of my restoration project I spoke with Dan, the owner, at Willys Overland in Toledo. Their tubs and other components are a little more expensive, but Dan told me they have corrected ALL the misgivings of the MD Juan products. Maybe you should consider that. By the time I got the end of my project I would have gladly given a few hundred more dollars to escape some of the head aches. Just a thought.

  No matter which way you go there will be challenges and expenses. Trying to find an acceptable and enjoyable balance is the trick.

  Good luck!!!
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: Stack_O_Lee on February 09, 2013, 07:48:07 AM: I only mention this because I was also curious about the price of sheet metal. I called the metal supplier here in town this week, and I assume prices are pretty close everywhere, but maybe I'm wrong. For a 4' X 8' sheet of cold rolled 16 gauge sheet metal, it's $61 here. I specifically asked if this is what he would recommend for auto body repair, and he said yes.

The pieces of steel that are for sale at Home Depot, and other hardware stores are really overpriced.

Good luck!
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on February 09, 2013, 09:59:46 AM: Quote
I only mention this because I was also curious about the price of sheet metal. ï¿½I called the metal supplier here in town this week, and I assume prices are pretty close everywhere, but maybe I'm wrong. For a 4' X 8' sheet of cold rolled 16 gauge sheet metal, it's $61 here. ï¿½I specifically asked if this is what he would recommend for auto body repair, and he said yes.

The pieces of steel that are for sale at Home Depot, and other hardware stores are really overpriced.

Good luck!

I think you may be right. I went to a place that would cut the floors out, and he told me that if he bought a full sheet the price dropped dramatically...the $75 price I got was for pre-cut pieces. So there is a premium charged for the cutting and for leaving them with an odd sized fragment. The way this is going I'll need a full sheet anyway.

Going out to Harbor Freight today. They have a power shear that gets 5 stars and is only about $35....and it's supposed to cut up to 16 ga....I've got a whole list....

One other thing...Why are the floor panels from Kaiser Willys so expensive? They are more than twice the cost of floors from Classic Enterprises..I've gotta call them. I still might get hat channels.
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on February 09, 2013, 12:50:47 PM: I think I have gotten the last of the riveted in overlay panels out..

I'm back to thinking I need a bed floor. K-W offers one with the riser attached...

This is what happens between the panels..
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: F Bill on February 09, 2013, 01:44:21 PM: KW's riser with the floor attached is most likely the MD Juan version, which is slightly flimsier than stock. I don't know if I could recommend using it or not, maybe the new ones are heavier than the one I got almost a decade ago. Classic's rear floor had issues too, if they can make a flat one instead of the twisted one I got a while back, it may be worth it. I do know there have been improvements at both places. The Classic floor is heavier than stock and strong as can be.

The cheapest way to do this would be to purchase or far a new riser, then use flat steel to make the floor. It is About 36 by 39.5 from memory with a 5/8 flange turned down around the edge for welding to the wheelhouses. There are hat channels underneath, not as tall as the ones under your front floor.

Speaking of hat channels, you may want to purchase some premade hat channel material from a place called Nor Am ï¿½body parts, and use them to fab up new ones, if they are close to the stock size. Otherwise buy new prefabbed ones. ï¿½If the one in your tranny tunnel is bad, Midwest military makes a good one and I think Classic now has one. It is too complicated to make your own.

If you have a sheet metal shop nearby with a press brake or a good tight leaf brake, you can often have hat channels made pretty inexpensively compared to purchasing from the jeep suppliers. Just have them make several lengths of the sizes you need and cut off what you need to install.
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on February 09, 2013, 02:16:04 PM: I'm beginning to think that I should take the body off the frame, and set it to one side while I go after the transmission/engine/brakes springs etc etc. ï¿½That will give me time to maybe turn up a donor body or decide which way to go with this one. I've been looking at the wheelhouses and they too have overlay panels to about 1/4 of the distance back towards the tailgate. If I keep pulling off these panels pretty soon there will be nothing left but the tailgate and it's got some rust too..

If the body falls to bits or break in two when i take it off, my decision will be made....

The trash can will be heavy this week..
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on February 09, 2013, 02:25:34 PM: Quote
KW's riser with the floor attached is most likely the MD Juan version, which is slightly flimsier than stock. I don't know if I could recommend using it or not, maybe the new ones are heavier than the one I got almost a decade ago. Classic's rear floor had issues too, if they can make a flat one instead of the twisted one I got a while back, it may be worth it. I do know there have been improvements at both places. The Classic floor is heavier than stock and strong as can be.

The cheapest way to do this would be to purchase or far a new riser, then use flat steel to make the floor. ï¿½It is About 36 by 39.5 from memory with a 5/8 flange turned down around the edge for welding to the wheelhouses. There are hat channels underneath, not as tall as the ones under your front floor.

Speaking of hat channels, you may want to purchase some premade hat channel material from a place called Nor Am ï¿½body parts, and use them to fab up new ones, if they are close to the stock size. Otherwise buy new prefabbed ones. ï¿½If the one in your tranny tunnel is bad, Midwest military makes a good one and I think Classic now has one. It is too complicated to make your own.

If you have a sheet metal shop nearby with a press brake or a good tight leaf brake, you can often have hat channels made pretty inexpensively compared to purchasing from the jeep suppliers. Just have them make several lengths of the sizes you need and cut off what you need to install.

Thanks Bill, I figured the K-W floor was an MD Juan, as are most of their other parts except for the one's that have Made in the USA in the description, and these are probably Classic Ent. parts.

I'm still looking for a sheet metal shop that is willing to make parts like that. not much luck so far. The one shop only sells steel, the other only cuts it. There are plenty of them so someone must take on small parts like this...

Randy
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on February 09, 2013, 08:32:15 PM: Bed floor is off....The good news is that the frame still looks really good...no previously hidden holes...
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on March 08, 2013, 08:57:54 PM: New parts have arrived!! ï¿½The new panels from Classic Enterprises have exceeded my expectations.....They look great, and each one is signed by the fellow who fabricated them.

The next week should show some significant progress...
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: F Bill on March 08, 2013, 09:10:04 PM: Did the new floor you got have bend or twist to it when you got it? Or will it sit flat all by itself?
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on March 08, 2013, 09:40:51 PM: The floor sits flat by itself. It is quite sturdy, with two hat channels running cross wise and the 1/2" or so lip all the way around...

The hats for the front floor have the spacers welded in, and the left front fender support has a short piece of wood inside for crush prevention.
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: Doug_3B on March 08, 2013, 10:27:41 PM: Randy,

Looks like I'm a bit late to chime in here. ï¿½I'm glad you're attempting to repair what you have. ï¿½It will be a lot of work, but will be worth it in the end. ï¿½I have always regretted scrapping my old tub, but luckily I was able to find a donor for a killer price.

My search for a donor took me to a junkyard just about 2 miles north of the town of Wendell on Hwy 46. ï¿½There was a CJ3B there. ï¿½I seem to recall several low hood tubs sitting around, but don't know of their condition or even if they're there anymore. ï¿½That would have been back in 2005 or so. ï¿½You can see it on google maps, it's a decent size yard. ï¿½Maybe worth a day trip out there. ï¿½If nothing else, it's usually a good time wandering around a good old junk yard ï¿½:D

The only thing I can say about them at the time I was there: ï¿½they must have thought that 3b tub was made of gold. ï¿½ :o
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on March 08, 2013, 10:36:44 PM: Hi Doug,

I'm on my way to Wendell via google earth..!

Thanks for the info.

I'm hopeful that I can save this tub....there may be more parts needed but for now this may work....
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on March 08, 2013, 10:44:29 PM: I found it..L&L Classic Auto...that place is huge!
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on March 12, 2013, 12:15:05 PM: Panel fit is good....
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on March 13, 2013, 02:26:32 PM: Drivers side hat channels installed along with a home made repair panel
I'm using 3M panel adhesive along with tack welds....
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on March 15, 2013, 01:04:40 PM: Driver floor is in....

Before
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: Uncle_Vin on March 16, 2013, 07:25:17 PM: Keep up the good work. Great thread. Keep it going.
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on March 16, 2013, 07:41:28 PM: Thanks for the encouragement!

Progress on the passenger side..
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on March 16, 2013, 07:42:27 PM: Old and new.....
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: F Bill on March 17, 2013, 09:22:47 AM: Those hat channels look pretty good..I like that they are signing them. You may want to hit them with some ospho or other quick metal conditioner before priming, to help with adhesion and rust issues. you are making pretty fast progress!

Sorry about that thread hijack, that's what I get for posting directly from the Last ten posts view....I deleted all the non pertinent postings... :-[
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on March 17, 2013, 10:39:55 AM: Hi Bill,

As we all know, things happen!

I'm using Prep and Ready from the makers of POR-15. It is supposed to prep new metal for the Por and also is a prep for other primers and paints.

I like the signatures also. Unfortunately when I wipe down the metal to remove the oils etc the signatures come off also....I'd like to leave one in there but it would probably just turn to rust without a prime coat...maybe a shot of clear would preserve it...

The project is going well. All the holes in the hats line up with the frame mounts and over all are an excellent fit. Those floors really stiffen everything and last night I slipped the bed panel in there and boy did that look good...and it fit just fine....

This is so much fun when it's done I'll need to find another rusty one!
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on March 17, 2013, 11:18:54 PM: Two floors now....next is the riser then the bed...
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on March 18, 2013, 06:02:36 PM: As my friend would say:

"It's a thing of beauty and a joy for all"
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: garage gnome on March 18, 2013, 09:42:42 PM: Very nice!
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on March 18, 2013, 11:54:59 PM: Quote
Very nice!

Thanks! This is turning out way better than I ever expected...
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Post by: 1955CJ-5 on March 19, 2013, 11:08:14 PM: Before and After.....
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: Comanche_County on March 20, 2013, 12:36:06 AM: Just posted a pic on the other thread,,,but it looks like you're already on top of it....nice work sir.
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 3aJeeper on March 20, 2013, 08:18:35 AM: Nice work indeed. I am facing the same level of wholesale floor replacement. Watching what you're doing here gives me some inspiration. I have a lot of fabrication skills to learn, but hopefully I can make it happen.
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on March 20, 2013, 11:32:39 AM: Quote
Nice work indeed. I am facing the same level of wholesale floor replacement. Watching what you're doing here gives me some inspiration. I have a lot of fabrication skills to learn, but hopefully I can make it happen.

I am learning as I go. I really don't have the proper tools or work space but you work with what you have...I did get an electric shear at Harbor Freight for less than $40 and it cuts through that 18ga steel like butter. And I bought a MIG welder, but I've only had it for a couple of weeks and my welding skills are minimal, but I'm learning! A little burnzomatic torch rounds out the "special" tool collection, along with Wiss shears and a hand seamer......and hammers....
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: BMIC on March 20, 2013, 12:44:34 PM: Had to laugh at the last two posts from JBC and 1955CJ5 about our tools. My wife can only take a guess at what I am spending on parts, the problem will be if she ever finds out about the new tools!
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 3aJeeper on March 20, 2013, 02:09:17 PM: BMIC, quiet!! She'll hear you!! ï¿½:D

Yea, if she ever bothered to total up the tools, I'd be sleeping with the Jeep in the garage... (compressor, welder, welding visor, various air tools, power tools, jacks, jack stands, etc...) And don't even ask about parts!

But new tools are all part of the fun! ï¿½;)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: athawk11 on March 20, 2013, 05:04:51 PM: You're really making great progress. Keep the updates rolling.

Tim
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on March 20, 2013, 05:23:58 PM: UPS just delivered the underseat tool box from MD Juan via Kaiser-Willys...It will need a little tweaking but it will fit. This is my first MD Juan replacement part....It's not a direct copy of the original, the lid bracing is different and the clip/latch is different, but It'll work fine. I might even be able to salvage the old lid and re-use it. More later!

Randy
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: garage gnome on March 20, 2013, 05:27:52 PM: Does it have the jeep script on the front of it?
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on March 20, 2013, 05:32:55 PM: Yes, the script is there....I still have whats left of the old tool box so I'll compare the two...but it definitely has "Jeep"stamped in it...
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: garage gnome on March 20, 2013, 05:34:06 PM: Hmmm... how come my repro body didn't come with it then... :'( Well, that was several years ago too.
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: calvinhunt on March 21, 2013, 02:11:13 AM: Quote
UPS just delivered the underseat tool box from MD Juan via Kaiser-Willys...It will need a little tweaking but it will fit. This is my first MD Juan replacement part....It's not a direct copy of the original, the lid bracing is different and the clip/latch is different, but It'll work fine. I might even be able to salvage the old lid and re-use it. ï¿½ More later!

Randy

I was very disappointed in the lid that came with my MD Juan tub, so to keep it original I drilled the hinge spot welds out and reinstalled the old lid on the new tub. Then I drilled out the rivets holding the old D ring to the tool box and riveted it onto the new tub. So I have the old original style lid and latch as can be seen in the following pics, worked great:
(http://i389.photobucket.com/albums/oo336/calvinhunt/JeepRebuildIII001.jpg)

(http://i389.photobucket.com/albums/oo336/calvinhunt/JeepRebuildIII003.jpg)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: Macgraham on March 21, 2013, 08:57:44 AM: I too got a replacement tool box from KW. It took a bit of massaging to make it fit properly. The latch never has worked and is poorly built. Just another rebuild on my list. My 3A had another gas tank where the toolbox goes so I had no toolbox pieces to work with. There was nothing stamped on the KW replacement.
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: bretto on March 21, 2013, 10:03:35 AM: Hopefully with Rommel @ MDJuan contacting all the forums lately, all these quirks will get ironed out for future generation builders.
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on March 22, 2013, 04:37:45 PM: So I thought I'd do some rust repair..

And it kept growing....
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on March 22, 2013, 04:38:53 PM: Then i had to make a patch..
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on March 22, 2013, 04:40:39 PM: But it turned out OK...
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on March 22, 2013, 04:43:01 PM: I knew that old section of rail would come in handy....(I use it all the time really, I don't have a real anvil )
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: calvinhunt on March 23, 2013, 02:43:44 AM: Wow!
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on March 23, 2013, 09:21:20 PM: This is going better than I ever imagined. ï¿½A little more grinding and it will blend just fine.
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: garage gnome on March 23, 2013, 10:08:30 PM: This thread is giving me inspiration to fix the tub on my '49... I really don't know if I should or not though. I like it as an unrestored original.
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on March 23, 2013, 10:26:25 PM: If I had the choice, I would have just left this one alone, cleaned it up and driven it. When I bought it I had hoped to just get it running and make little improvements along the way.

I'm really enjoying this. It is a great experience and I'm learning a lot.

But if this tub had been more solid I would have left it alone.

Your '49 will only be original once.

This '51 will never again be original.
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: garage gnome on March 23, 2013, 10:29:12 PM: Yeah, thats the problem... I like it being original. But then again, it is no good if the original body rots away too... Decisions, decisions... ::)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on March 25, 2013, 04:49:59 PM: One more repair complete..

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1040735_zpsf839bbfa.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1040735_zpsf839bbfa.jpg.html)

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1040736_zps22fccf9d.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1040736_zps22fccf9d.jpg.html)

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1040737_zpsdd28781f.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1040737_zpsdd28781f.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on March 25, 2013, 04:51:10 PM: More...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1040741_zps2f0969aa.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1040741_zps2f0969aa.jpg.html)

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1040747_zps8f7f3225.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1040747_zps8f7f3225.jpg.html)

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1040748_zps5cd85b90.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1040748_zps5cd85b90.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on March 25, 2013, 04:52:49 PM: What to do with that step that really isn't a step?

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1040753_zps095e399a.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1040753_zps095e399a.jpg.html)

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1040698_zps13b90fe2.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1040698_zps13b90fe2.jpg.html)

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1040746_zps83beb990.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1040746_zps83beb990.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: garage gnome on March 25, 2013, 06:15:24 PM: Ok, thats it! I'm going to fix the tub on my '49. Still don't know whether I should paint it or just redo the red primer and leave it that way.

Looking great!
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on March 27, 2013, 05:29:21 PM: Another panel today. This time I'll show what I do start to finish...

First cut out the rust, and square things up ..

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1040758_zps16af94e8.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1040758_zps16af94e8.jpg.html)

I got this card stock at the dollar store....Make a template

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1040759_zps51666893.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1040759_zps51666893.jpg.html)

Make it fit as best you can..

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1040761_zps8334f285.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1040761_zps8334f285.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on March 27, 2013, 05:32:17 PM: Cut out a piece of metal.18 ga mild steel. I use a Harbor Freight electric shear...cuts like butter...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1040764_zps42c96fe0.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1040764_zps42c96fe0.jpg.html)

Here is the blank behind the template

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1040765_zps976abfb3.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1040765_zps976abfb3.jpg.html)

Make the bends one at a time, fitting and checking as you go

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1040766_zpsa342e045.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1040766_zpsa342e045.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on March 27, 2013, 05:34:18 PM: Pretty good fit...there is plenty of trial fitting and tweaking...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1040768_zps14579346.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1040768_zps14579346.jpg.html)

I punched the holes for the "spot welds" with this HF tool..

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1040769_zps7d51db74.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1040769_zps7d51db74.jpg.html)

Nearly ready to weld..

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1040770_zps1f62ec81.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1040770_zps1f62ec81.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on March 27, 2013, 05:36:45 PM: Welded in place...my welding skills are slowly improving...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1040771_zps053ae67b.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1040771_zps053ae67b.jpg.html)

Grind off the chicken *...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1040774_zpsa5b16c2c.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1040774_zpsa5b16c2c.jpg.html)

Finished...sort of...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1040777_zps6203b2ef.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1040777_zps6203b2ef.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on March 27, 2013, 05:43:24 PM: Before...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1040542_zps89d6710a.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1040542_zps89d6710a.jpg.html)

After

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1040777_zps6203b2ef.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1040777_zps6203b2ef.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: F Bill on March 27, 2013, 08:43:04 PM: Quote
Before...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1040542_zps89d6710a.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1040542_zps89d6710a.jpg.html)

After

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1040777_zps6203b2ef.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1040777_zps6203b2ef.jpg.html)

If you haven't clicked on these pictures to get to the full size versions you haven't seen the extent of the change made in this jeep. Fantastic save of a rusty tub! And you are learning to weld as you go too! I wish we had a handclap emoticon.
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on March 27, 2013, 11:26:12 PM: Thanks Bill. I've worked my way around to the spare tire carrier area and the rear brake light panel.....oh boy....

"It ain't over till it's over"

Randy
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on March 28, 2013, 09:34:53 PM: I made a little progress today...

The right rear corner is a little rough...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1040781_zps9e3d22cf.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1040781_zps9e3d22cf.jpg.html)

But I cut it out and had planned to make some replacement panels...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1040790_zpsa93d2892.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1040790_zpsa93d2892.jpg.html)

When I realized that I needed a new wheel box baffle/tire support I decided to stop and order parts from Classic Enterprises. I'll get a baffle and a rear brake light panel with the support already attached...

Plenty of other things to do...I started to wrangle that tool box into place....

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1040794_zps81041648.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1040794_zps81041648.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on March 30, 2013, 06:46:27 PM: Ready...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1040805_zpsf5b48806.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1040805_zpsf5b48806.jpg.html)

Set

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1040806_zps070809b3.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1040806_zps070809b3.jpg.html)

Step

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1040815_zps9008891f.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1040815_zps9008891f.jpg.html)

See that hole in the middle? They told me that you cannot weld to rusty steel....they were right.....
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on March 31, 2013, 10:37:00 PM: Now the drivers side wheelhouse....

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1040820_zps9c252c6b.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1040820_zps9c252c6b.jpg.html)

Better already...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1040822_zpsd897a6bc.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1040822_zpsd897a6bc.jpg.html)

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1040826_zps6b90baab.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1040826_zps6b90baab.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: garage gnome on April 01, 2013, 07:56:32 AM: Are you going to do a wheelhouse notch in it? I don't know how well you fit behind the wheel, but for me, I wish I did. ;D And no, I'm not big, just tall and my legs get cramped. ;)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on April 01, 2013, 10:00:23 AM: No plans for a notch...I may regret it...

It hadn't even crossed my mind to tell you the truth...

I haven't driven this jeep....I only sat behind the wheel for a few moments after I got it home...
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: garage gnome on April 01, 2013, 10:09:22 AM: You may want to think about it. I really wish I did it to mine. I'll do it when I go to sandblast and repaint the body in the future. I'll suffer for a few more years.
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on April 01, 2013, 01:54:00 PM: From this

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1040478_zps7f34063e.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1040478_zps7f34063e.jpg.html)

To this

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1040843_zpsbff1fa80.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1040843_zpsbff1fa80.jpg.html)

A big improvement!

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1040851_zps4d161a25.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1040851_zps4d161a25.jpg.html)

Too late now Nate....I guess I'll just have to suffer.....!
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on April 03, 2013, 02:15:11 PM: Engine is being rebuilt...

Here is the worst piston

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1040858_zps0f6fef10.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1040858_zps0f6fef10.jpg.html)

Bores are 30 over now..

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1040856_zpsce60dccd.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1040856_zpsce60dccd.jpg.html)

Here is the boring machine..

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1040854_zpsdfe48671.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1040854_zpsdfe48671.jpg.html)

I don't know why these pics keep getting flipped back....
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on April 03, 2013, 02:17:47 PM: Drivers side is looking good..

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1040860_zpsbc474043.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1040860_zpsbc474043.jpg.html)

This is next

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1040864_zps79654094.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1040864_zps79654094.jpg.html)

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1040865_zps1f3b0549.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1040865_zps1f3b0549.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on April 03, 2013, 02:18:51 PM: Just a test...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1040868_zps1d04aba9.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1040868_zps1d04aba9.jpg.html)

I'm trying to figure out how to post the larger pictures...

I tried every option..no luck
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: garage gnome on April 03, 2013, 04:53:03 PM: Randy, what browser are you using? I forgot to ask when I replied to your PM.

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1040868_zps1d04aba9.jpg)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on April 03, 2013, 05:04:09 PM: Google Chrome...

The problem must be in my computer....or in my technique!!

Randy

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1040869_zps5f8649cd.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1040869_zps5f8649cd.jpg.html)

But when you post the larger picture and then click on it, you are not directed to the album...it's a mystery...
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: garage gnome on April 03, 2013, 05:57:18 PM: Ahhhh, I use safari. Google chrome does some weird things sometimes.
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on April 03, 2013, 05:57:44 PM: Another try, this time with Internet Explorer...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1040868_zps1d04aba9.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1040868_zps1d04aba9.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: garage gnome on April 03, 2013, 06:03:59 PM: Are you grabbing this link I highlighted in the red box? BTW, Bill, feel free to take these posts off to create a FAQ.

(http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx125/willyscjmj/Screenshot2013-04-03at60117PM.png)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on April 03, 2013, 06:12:37 PM: Yes, that is the link....

I noticed that when using IE I could highlight the link and copy it. With Chrome I need to right click on the link, click "select all" to get it to highlight, and then right click to copy...all this started once I upgraded to the new photobucket...
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on April 05, 2013, 10:52:36 PM: I did some work on the drivers side today. The bottom edge was rusted out so I made a repair strip.

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1040892_zpsbcf55f47.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1040892_zpsbcf55f47.jpg.html)

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1040894_zpsddfec6d4.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1040894_zpsddfec6d4.jpg.html)

looks pretty bad in the picture...I scraped and ground what seemed like 2 pounds of bondo off it....

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1040903_zps3c57a472.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1040903_zps3c57a472.jpg.html)

It really looks better than it did...
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on April 05, 2013, 10:54:21 PM: I made a small piece for the wheel arch...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1040897_zps48744536.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1040897_zps48744536.jpg.html)

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1040899_zpse277adf2.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1040899_zpse277adf2.jpg.html)

Ready for the grinder....quite a bit of burn-through. mostly pretty good steel with the occasional weak spot....

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1040900_zpse764c08e.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1040900_zpse764c08e.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on April 06, 2013, 05:59:14 PM: Went after the drivers side "step" today..

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1040906_zps38d067a9.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1040906_zps38d067a9.jpg.html)

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1040907_zps3bf3a32d.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1040907_zps3bf3a32d.jpg.html)

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1040912_zpsa15355d5.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1040912_zpsa15355d5.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on April 06, 2013, 06:01:26 PM: And did some work on the cowl brace..

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1040865_zps1f3b0549.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1040865_zps1f3b0549.jpg.html)

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1040913_zps60a62670.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1040913_zps60a62670.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on April 06, 2013, 06:03:34 PM: Looks OK to me, a little more hammering and a little filler....that white powder coating is the residue from POR-15 "Prep and Ready"..its supposed to inhibit rust and prep for primer..

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1040910_zpsaca53073.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1040910_zpsaca53073.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on April 06, 2013, 06:04:39 PM: This is just to see if I've broken the code on those larger images...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1040914_zps531a1073.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1040914_zps531a1073.jpg.html)

Edit: I guess not.....
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: F Bill on April 06, 2013, 07:52:53 PM: Actually the small images open almost instantly, and if you are loading a page like this with a lot of pictures it is good to have the smaller pics to keep the load time down. We can always click on your pics for a big version.

Your patches look pretty good, I would check and see if you are getting good penetration to the backside before grinding them down completely. Some of your welds back sides look like your weld is mainly on top of the joint and not thru the seam. Are you going to do any more welding on the floor pan front edges?

Just my 2 cents, everyone does it different but that's the only stuff I'd take a good look at before painting or body filler. You've done a great job bringing that tub back from the dead.
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on April 06, 2013, 09:25:47 PM: I try to get the welds to penetrate, but ï¿½the rusty steel burns through pretty easily. I'm finally learning to fine tune the heat and feed when I have a rusty area, but when I have new steel next to rusty it's tough. I know what you mean though. The fellow who is machining the engine told me to weld from the good steel to the rusty...get the arc going on the good steel and then move to the rusty areas...that works pretty good, but burn through still happens.....the right heat is the trick but it is still a learning process...

Oh, and as with so many things, prep is everything....clean steel, no paint or oil..I grind it clean and then wipe it down with denatured alcohol...

It is sooo much more fun to weld new steel to new steel....It might have been worth it to buy all the parts from the toe boards back and just build a body...

I think someone suggested doing this earlier on!!
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on April 06, 2013, 09:41:11 PM: Well, I just couldn't sit around this afternoon...

The areas where the wheelhouse baffle was attached had rusted...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1040915_zps11cab573.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1040915_zps11cab573.jpg.html)

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1040917_zps3af00acb.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1040917_zps3af00acb.jpg.html)

So I cut it out..

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1040919_zps2d90d237.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1040919_zps2d90d237.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on April 06, 2013, 09:42:36 PM: Rusty, of course...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1040921_zps81f75d44.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1040921_zps81f75d44.jpg.html)

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1040922_zps6899d9d0.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1040922_zps6899d9d0.jpg.html)

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1040920_zps7cf9624e.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1040920_zps7cf9624e.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on April 06, 2013, 09:45:48 PM: This is the donor...the old tool box top. It turns out the spacing between the raised ridges is different on the bed floor and the tops of the wheel houses. The tool box was the least rusted...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1040926_zps92e576df.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1040926_zps92e576df.jpg.html)

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1040927_zps5a5379a7.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1040927_zps5a5379a7.jpg.html)

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1040928_zpse312c6a1.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1040928_zpse312c6a1.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on April 06, 2013, 09:54:27 PM: Bill,

You asked if I planned to do more welding on the floor seams....Right now the plan is to get this tub as solid as I can and then take it off the frame. When the underside is easier to get to I plan to weld everything in sight.... !
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: garage gnome on April 06, 2013, 10:32:41 PM: You're getting there! I'll be doing this on my '49 once my '53 is off the lift and I can drive it.
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on April 07, 2013, 03:42:19 PM: Got the other patch made and installed..

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1040930_zps222a9b0f.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1040930_zps222a9b0f.jpg.html)

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1040933_zps8a65d80a.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1040933_zps8a65d80a.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on April 07, 2013, 03:47:32 PM: And the one on the wheelhouse side...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1040932_zps8cbd2a2e.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1040932_zps8cbd2a2e.jpg.html)

This area is 16ga steel. Not a lot thicker than the 18 ga but easily twice as difficult to cut...fortunately this is just a flat piece, I don't think I could have formed it at all with my hand tools...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1040932_zps8cbd2a2e.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1040932_zps8cbd2a2e.jpg.html)

But boy that 16ga sure welds nice...this is the inside, I welded from the other side so it shows the penetration...A little heat and some solid steel make for a nice patch!

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1040935_zps9dd4a843.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1040935_zps9dd4a843.jpg.html)

I may just cut it out though...why on earth didn't I just replace the whole panel back to the tailgate frame? Didn't even think of it until I was done....
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: garage gnome on April 07, 2013, 06:50:26 PM: Looking good!
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on April 07, 2013, 07:42:03 PM: Thanks Nate!

I think I finally beat that tool box into submission...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1040936_zps8837e316.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1040936_zps8837e316.jpg.html)

When you get it to fit, it just looks right...I'll swap out the lid, strip that primer or whatever it is off and install and re-prime...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1040938_zpsd34860fd.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1040938_zpsd34860fd.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on April 07, 2013, 10:31:01 PM: Hey Nate,

What kind of primer is on your '49? Is it weather-proof? I'm told that most primers are not but there are some that will work as a final coat...I'm thinking a flat color would be neat...

Take care of that eye!!

Randy
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: garage gnome on April 08, 2013, 05:56:27 AM: I have no idea what it is. My guess would be rustoleum red primer that was brushed on. I'm not sure if I'm going to leave it or paint it when I fix the tub.

I will be today! it is annoying as h3!!!
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on April 08, 2013, 08:33:07 PM: I cut out that perfectly good patch..

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1040944_zps6a84e87b.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1040944_zps6a84e87b.jpg.html)

And replaced it with an entire panel...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1040949_zps644c625f.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1040949_zps644c625f.jpg.html)

The area where the inner wheelhouse panel attached to the tailgate surround was pretty well rusted. The best thing to do was remove it and replace the whole thing after cleaning up all the rust...Now when the brake light panel get here I'll have nice new steel to attach it to. I'll do the same on the other side, and I'll also replace the wheelhouse inner brace...
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on April 09, 2013, 10:20:35 PM: Just noticed that there were exactly 1951 views of this thread...that must mean something, it is a 1951 3a....

I just could not get that overworked metal on the drivers side to respond to my shrinking hammer and torch work, so I cut it out...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1040956_zpsd188308d.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1040956_zpsd188308d.jpg.html)

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1040958_zpsf19b6ff4.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1040958_zpsf19b6ff4.jpg.html)

Better already...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1040959_zpsa250c81b.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1040959_zpsa250c81b.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on April 10, 2013, 09:00:41 PM: The other side panel is in....I think it was worth the effort

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1040976_zps12ce4e6f.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1040976_zps12ce4e6f.jpg.html)

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1040903_zps3c57a472.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1040903_zps3c57a472.jpg.html)

Anyone ever use that two-part epoxy primer that comes in a special spray can? Rustoleum has one and Eastwood also does....
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on April 12, 2013, 07:31:48 PM: Yesterday was spent cleaning and mopping the garage...and gathering the used parts...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1040984_zpsaa06b33a.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1040984_zpsaa06b33a.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on April 12, 2013, 07:33:57 PM: Went after the left rear today..

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1040986_zps61189177.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1040986_zps61189177.jpg.html)

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1040989_zps4de42863.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1040989_zps4de42863.jpg.html)

I also took out the internal brace..I have a replacement ordered...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1040991_zps9e1a00f4.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1040991_zps9e1a00f4.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on April 12, 2013, 07:35:47 PM: Gotta love that new steel...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1040997_zps182054c8.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1040997_zps182054c8.jpg.html)

Look at the orbs...I guess the spirits are helping....

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1040990_zps24fc5915.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1040990_zps24fc5915.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: calvinhunt on April 13, 2013, 12:45:21 AM: Really lookin' good. Fun to watch your progress.
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on April 13, 2013, 10:36:35 AM: Thanks!

I'm still having fun.

My neighbor who is a car guy asked me why I work on it so much..he thinks I should take my time and stretch it out...I suppose I could just sit there and look at it.....it's liable to stretch out quite a bit as it is...!

Waiting for parts now...I have one brake light panel that I can put in though....
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on April 13, 2013, 05:58:54 PM: The panel fit very well. I shortened it a little....

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050014_zpsd0731cbf.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050014_zpsd0731cbf.jpg.html)

The rust continues to give me trouble....

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050016_zps29534b22.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050016_zps29534b22.jpg.html)

I went to Home Depot and bought a 24" length of 6" PVC. I'll use this to form the corners....I priced steel pipe....5 times more$$$

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050018_zps5a475b9f.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050018_zps5a475b9f.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: F Bill on April 13, 2013, 07:21:55 PM: Your welding gets better every picture!

When I found a piece of the right OD pipe in the scrap pile it was a happy day.....You may need to fill the PVC with cement to be able to pound on it.
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on April 13, 2013, 07:43:09 PM: I've turned up the heat!!

I don't think I'll need to pound on it...will I? It's only 18ga. I plan to clamp the PVC to the bench, slide the metal between it and the bench, and just bend it...I may be a little optimistic ..I may have to put some stiffer material inside the PVC to keep the clamps from breaking the edges.....the bend will be about 14" long....

Home Depot is not far though...
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: garage gnome on April 13, 2013, 09:42:57 PM: What type of Mig are you using? Can I send you my '49 to do next? ;D
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on April 13, 2013, 10:20:21 PM: It's a Miller 140 with the Miller Matic feature....sets it's own wire speed according to the heat being used...but I've used it with manual settings also

Send the '49 right away.....but I keep what I fix.... :)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: athawk11 on April 13, 2013, 11:50:09 PM: I'm really enjoying this thread. Keep it coming!

Tim
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on April 14, 2013, 05:52:31 PM: Thanks Tim, that makes two of us at least!

The corner was tough. first i made a block to support the bottom..sometimes the pic will rotate, sometimes it won't!!

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050025_zps689ea9bb.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050025_zps689ea9bb.jpg.html)

Then my usual card template..

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050031_zpse5db9fdc.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050031_zpse5db9fdc.jpg.html)

I realized that if the panel wasn't kept straight I'd have a twisted corner...so I measured a lot and drew some lines

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050035_zpse31bc466.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050035_zpse31bc466.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on April 14, 2013, 05:56:35 PM: I learned something about jeeps....The rear crossmember is not symmetrical...It's about 3" longer from the frame to the end of the crossmember on the drivers side than on the passenger side...so using the old eyeballs to get the body panels aligned right doesn't work...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050036_zpscb55401f.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050036_zpscb55401f.jpg.html)

My bending brake...two pieces of Home Depot angle iron and some clamps..

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050037_zpsafba960a.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050037_zpsafba960a.jpg.html)

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050048_zpsf9ddc959.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050048_zpsf9ddc959.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on April 14, 2013, 05:58:56 PM: This was a lot of work and I'm tired....there are more pictures in the album...just click on the thumbnail.

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050060_zpsddf1f531.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050060_zpsddf1f531.jpg.html)

But I am really happy with the outcome...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050063_zpsabc4233e.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050063_zpsabc4233e.jpg.html)

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050067_zps234cb667.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050067_zps234cb667.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on April 14, 2013, 06:03:43 PM: It needs some finishing, but it's a good panel and best of all it fits!!

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050072_zps37b6c84e.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050072_zps37b6c84e.jpg.html)

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050073_zps27aab399.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050073_zps27aab399.jpg.html)

And after making a plug for one end of the the 6" PVC, and filling it with concrete (Thanks F Bill!), most of the forming was done using one of those bernzomatic torch tanks as a form!! It turns out that if you want a 3" radius, it's best to use a 2" form and just work it around.....
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on April 15, 2013, 05:05:36 PM: Got it put in.....I wonder how many years it's been since this jeep had a solid steel corner? I know the PO said that there had been lots of rust repair as far back as 1959...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050077_zps03ce8d5b.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050077_zps03ce8d5b.jpg.html)

I cut out some more rust and patched it. There is so little "original" tub left......

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050074_zps8dd00c65.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050074_zps8dd00c65.jpg.html)

This was really difficult to weld....different gauges of steel and rust.....what would I do without a grinder?

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050075_zps369780bd.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050075_zps369780bd.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on April 15, 2013, 05:17:18 PM: A complete wheel opening....

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050080_zpsaf76c6bd.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050080_zpsaf76c6bd.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on April 17, 2013, 06:16:46 PM: Repaired the rust out in the top of the driver side wheelhouse. I had to remove the hat brace underneath....I replaced it with a new one from Classic Enterprises...Nice and solid now...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050082_zpsb0817d8b.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050082_zpsb0817d8b.jpg.html)

The old bed floor was the donor this time...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050083_zpsb8434437.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050083_zpsb8434437.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: ZekeD on April 17, 2013, 11:55:31 PM: Unbelievable! You are an inspiration to all of us wannabe restorers.... I have changed my mind on how I will restore my '49.

Zeke
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: calvinhunt on April 18, 2013, 12:30:53 AM: It truly is enjoyable to watch the magic. Thanks for the routine updates.
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: bretto on April 18, 2013, 08:48:05 AM: Quote
....Now I've read several threads on the tubs and realize they too require lots of work. The trouble with the repair panels is that I have little welding experience, and no welder...I'm willing to learn..but first some pictures..

Look where you came from. It's looking great. I love the homebrew fabrication approach, reminds me a lot of the work I did on mine.
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on April 18, 2013, 09:47:56 AM: Thanks for the encouragement everyone....for a while I thought maybe I was going the wrong direction down this long dark tunnel, but now I think there is a glimmer of light up ahead...!
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on April 18, 2013, 05:31:19 PM: Lots of progress today...

This is the new brake light panel, trimmed, flanged and ready to weld...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050085_zps2bc237d4.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050085_zps2bc237d4.jpg.html)

First a little prep....the top of the wheel house was rusted (!) in this area, so no bent edge to weld to...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050087_zps68c501d6.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050087_zps68c501d6.jpg.html)

I had some 22ga steel so I made a little curved patch that welded to the bottom of what was left of the WH top..

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050088_zps993f47f0.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050088_zps993f47f0.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on April 18, 2013, 05:33:04 PM: Next in went the rear panel

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050090_zpsbcbfd2d6.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050090_zpsbcbfd2d6.jpg.html)

Inside view..

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050092_zps9f1459d7.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050092_zps9f1459d7.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on April 18, 2013, 05:35:06 PM: Then i needed to repair the corner under the top-bow socket...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050097_zpse11b892a.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050097_zpse11b892a.jpg.html)

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050100_zpse93d26af.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050100_zpse93d26af.jpg.html)

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050102_zps2fe3f5c5.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050102_zps2fe3f5c5.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on April 18, 2013, 05:38:07 PM: Before...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050085_zps2bc237d4.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050085_zps2bc237d4.jpg.html)

After..this image will eventually turn, why it takes so long is a mystery...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050102_zps2fe3f5c5.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050102_zps2fe3f5c5.jpg.html)

Inside view..not quite done in here...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050098_zpsdf84e631.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050098_zpsdf84e631.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on April 18, 2013, 05:51:01 PM: Here is the way way before pic of this area..

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/1951%20CJ-3A/th_P1040374.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/1951%20CJ-3A/P1040374.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on April 19, 2013, 06:27:41 PM: A bit of a milestone today...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050111_zpse859b1fa.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050111_zpse859b1fa.jpg.html)

Baffle and brace...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050115_zps87af6f2f.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050115_zps87af6f2f.jpg.html)

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050121_zps9727bbc0.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050121_zps9727bbc0.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on April 19, 2013, 06:30:11 PM: Ready for the spare...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050117_zps82476eba.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050117_zps82476eba.jpg.html)

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050004_zpsbdd9da1c.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050004_zpsbdd9da1c.jpg.html)

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050123_zps9802c8a7.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050123_zps9802c8a7.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on April 19, 2013, 06:31:08 PM: A couple more....

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050126_zps746c6b39.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050126_zps746c6b39.jpg.html)

Looks like a jeep!!

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050127_zps58785a78.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050127_zps58785a78.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: garage gnome on April 19, 2013, 07:19:17 PM: You're getting there! Can I send you my '49 next? ;D
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on April 19, 2013, 07:33:59 PM: Start driving...you'll get here about the time I'm finished!!
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: garage gnome on April 21, 2013, 08:23:35 AM: I moved this to the "your stock jeep project" board because it has taken the direction of a project now. ;)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on April 21, 2013, 10:23:02 AM: Thanks Nate,

As I looked at the other threads in the Your Stock Jeep Project board I was thinking that maybe my thread ought to be here...

Randy
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: athawk11 on April 21, 2013, 10:16:53 PM: Randy,
This is coming along nicely. I've also noticed you are a Toyota fan.

Tim
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on April 21, 2013, 10:33:21 PM: Thanks Tim,

Those Toyota's are handy for towing old jeeps home or taking rusty parts over to storage....!

More jeep stuff...out with the old

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050141_zps439c16ce.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050141_zps439c16ce.jpg.html)

In with the new

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050143_zps91f8163a.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050143_zps91f8163a.jpg.html)

and yet another patch...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050142_zps6830e020.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050142_zps6830e020.jpg.html)

I'm getting anxious to get this body repair wrapped up and on with the frame and mechanical things....but I'm still finding spots that need repair...like the front top bow sockets....
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on April 22, 2013, 07:03:23 PM: This little bracket attaches to the wheelhouse face and supports the drivers seat...I was going to use the original one but it was too rusty...no metal left...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050146_zpsae1a1478.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050146_zpsae1a1478.jpg.html)

Is that big hole supposed to be there?

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050158_zpse6257608.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050158_zpse6257608.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on April 22, 2013, 07:05:44 PM: I got after those rusted out bow sockets...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050148_zps1f8235ee.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050148_zps1f8235ee.jpg.html)

Made a patch...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050149_zps22a974f8.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050149_zps22a974f8.jpg.html)

Much better...but be careful with those grinders!

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050157_zpsaba0dd93.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050157_zpsaba0dd93.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on April 22, 2013, 07:07:59 PM: Passenger side...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050151_zps228c50ee.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050151_zps228c50ee.jpg.html)

This one was completely rusted, and the patch extends up the side...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050152_zpsff146bfa.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050152_zpsff146bfa.jpg.html)

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050154_zps5f440441.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050154_zps5f440441.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on April 22, 2013, 10:33:02 PM: The old tool box lid is still in great condition, but the "D" ring was gone....

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050162_zps410ad6bd.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050162_zps410ad6bd.jpg.html)

So I bought a "D" ring at Home Depot, and made a bracket..

I drilled it so it would fit over the existing rivets..

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050165_zpsc1331c0a.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050165_zpsc1331c0a.jpg.html)

And then I welded the old lid to the MDJuan tool box hinges, and added the "D" ring....I removed that crazy latch arrangement and used the original clip..... works fine...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050167_zpsa8c3a831.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050167_zpsa8c3a831.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on April 23, 2013, 04:22:11 PM: Tool box is installed..!

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050170_zps88362ed9.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050170_zps88362ed9.jpg.html)

It fought me to the end....

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050169_zpsdda88cbe.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050169_zpsdda88cbe.jpg.html)

Looks nice!...Note the original clip type latch....as simple as can be...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050171_zpse41f8775.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050171_zpse41f8775.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on April 23, 2013, 11:27:03 PM: Started on the left fender..

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050180_zpsfd5a53d2.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050180_zpsfd5a53d2.jpg.html)

The new brace fits great...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050182_zps5f33f6f4.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050182_zps5f33f6f4.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: F Bill on April 24, 2013, 08:29:01 AM: Be sure to fit the fender in place and check fits before the final welding of your bracket. Hood gaps, grille, etc.
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on April 24, 2013, 10:01:28 AM: Quote
Be sure to fit the fender in place and check fits before the final welding of your bracket. Hood gaps, grille, etc.

Thanks Bill, you are right of course...I'll patch the holes and then wait until I attach the brace......I'm off to the steel supplier for some 20ga for the fender repair.....
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: garage gnome on April 24, 2013, 10:12:29 PM: Did you decide on a color yet? Or is that too far down the road?
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on April 24, 2013, 10:18:59 PM: For right now the color is going to be epoxy primer gray....but if it turns out better than expected I may paint it Luzon Red...I like green but I already have one green jeep. I'd like to keep it a light color so it's more visible....

So no, I guess I haven't decided!!
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on April 24, 2013, 10:22:13 PM: I was able to get the body off today...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050195_zps64252d3c.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050195_zps64252d3c.jpg.html)

I got it this far by myself..

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050193_zps7e2d72ec.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050193_zps7e2d72ec.jpg.html)

Trouble it I want to get it to the floor and then lean it against the wall so I can get the underside primed....I might need to rent an engine hoist.....
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on April 24, 2013, 10:26:08 PM: visited the engine today..the cylinders were being honed to size..

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050189_zpsfd7a9a2f.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050189_zpsfd7a9a2f.jpg.html)

and the crank was being turned..

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050185_zpsa7d7e5fa.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050185_zpsa7d7e5fa.jpg.html)

Bad news is the Supersonic head i bought on ebay has a crack in it....maybe I can make a coffee table out of it?

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050191_zpsaa3068d3.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050191_zpsaa3068d3.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: garage gnome on April 24, 2013, 10:31:03 PM: Supersonic heads look good painted chevy orange with black lettering as wall hangers! ï¿½;)

Looks like a good machine shop you use!
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on April 24, 2013, 10:41:17 PM: The machine shop is great. It's been in the same place for probably 50 years..there is stuff everywhere, and the machinist is very highly respected by all the old jeep and car buffs in town.

A wall hanging would be nice...I don't need an anchor...maybe I could weld it between the front cross members for ballast....
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on April 25, 2013, 09:03:35 PM: I spent some time cleaning the frame today....I'm going to try rust converter and rattle can frame paint....

I found this...I had no idea they were marked like this...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050213_zpsc03212d6.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050213_zpsc03212d6.jpg.html)

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050207_zpsf6b9891b.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050207_zpsf6b9891b.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on April 25, 2013, 09:10:44 PM: And what about these marks? ï¿½Could they have been put there as part of the final inspection from the factory? There is a similar mark on the rear pinion nut.

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050214_zps1bd2f7f8.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050214_zps1bd2f7f8.jpg.html)

Though this jeep shows over 60,000 miles, the balls on the steering pitman arm and bellcrank are barely worn, and the Ross box is surprisingly tight...it was used as a farm jeep, perhaps it spent most of it's time as a source of power for a thresher or something...it has a rear PTO, but no belt pulley(yet)..
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on April 26, 2013, 10:52:21 PM: Today the rear axle assembly came out, along with the springs..Spent the day cleaning rust and grease mostly, but got the brakes and axles disassembled.

I did find a spot of original paint on the wheels. They all have this color. They are 15's but I'll use them as they probably came with the jeep...so it was Luzon Red with cream wheels!

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050219_zpsd6389de0.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050219_zpsd6389de0.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on April 27, 2013, 02:14:56 PM: So I tried the rust converter today on the rear axle....

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050233_zps3682610a.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050233_zps3682610a.jpg.html)

Mongo like!

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050240_zps54fdf795.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050240_zps54fdf795.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on April 28, 2013, 05:23:31 PM: This is the front differential....look at how the casting is worn..

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050251_zps2368cb1c.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050251_zps2368cb1c.jpg.html)

I have a theory...they cut a notch in the mid frame member so the PTO shaft would clear...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050241_zps18c3002f.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050241_zps18c3002f.jpg.html)

I think the motor mounts sagged or gave way totally, allowiing the front of the engine to ride on the differential, and thus raising the PTO drive shaft so it hit the frame.....

At any rate, I repaired the frame today...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050243_zps3f653cbf.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050243_zps3f653cbf.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on April 28, 2013, 05:26:39 PM: The front axle is off,

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050248_zps2ee1c2be.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050248_zps2ee1c2be.jpg.html)

And soon it and the frame will get a couple coats of rust converter...should look pretty nice...haven't decided about frame paint yet..I kinda like the battlefield cannon look...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050246_zpsfb86004d.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050246_zpsfb86004d.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: garage gnome on April 28, 2013, 06:41:32 PM: Your getting there! Looks great! What kind of rust convertor are you using?
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on April 28, 2013, 07:27:00 PM: It's a slow process, just like going anywhere in an old jeep!

The rust converter is from SEM..it's called Rust-Seal, and the number is 39304. This type can either be painted or left on it's own. There is another SEM product that requires a top coat but this one does not....

I like the look...
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on April 29, 2013, 09:51:47 PM: I spent several hours cleaning and scraping the frame. It'll be ready for rust converter in the morning when it's good and dry..

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050253_zpsa4abd071.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050253_zpsa4abd071.jpg.html)

The machinist saved the #3 piston for me as a souvenir....good thing I didn't try to start it when I first got it home!

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050255_zpsd8a8144f.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050255_zpsd8a8144f.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: athawk11 on April 30, 2013, 10:18:22 PM: Ouch! That is one messed up piston. Were the broken off chunks still in the combustion chamber? That would have been one heck of a noise maker :o

Tim
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on May 03, 2013, 11:00:56 PM: This engine has not run since I've had it....the PO took it to a local shop because it had seized..they took the head off, were able to free it, and found this piston...

From the looks of it the breaks happened slowly... the top piston groove, the one without a ring, was/is packed with debris...
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on May 03, 2013, 11:03:33 PM: So I have been working on this, but scraping rust and grease just doesn't photograph well!

But, the axles are going back in

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050266_zps5b9e4984.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050266_zps5b9e4984.jpg.html)

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050267_zpsf09d1fa2.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050267_zpsf09d1fa2.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on May 03, 2013, 11:05:51 PM: But then I discovered that the head on the centering bolt is about 3/8" high

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050268_zps1ec901ec.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050268_zps1ec901ec.jpg.html)

And the hole in the axle is about 1/4" deep..

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050269_zpsf93c3b46.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050269_zpsf93c3b46.jpg.html)

So this will require some work with the grinder...I'll save it for tomorrow..
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on May 03, 2013, 11:12:22 PM: Gotta love those before and after shots..

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1040543_zps13ea5bc5.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1040543_zps13ea5bc5.jpg.html)

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050259_zpsb4ac99c4.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050259_zpsb4ac99c4.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on May 07, 2013, 11:39:50 PM: Got the front axle installed

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050275_zps2811f2cb.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050275_zps2811f2cb.jpg.html)

I had to grind the flats on the shackle bolts so a 7/8" socket would fit

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050277_zps2e670b47.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050277_zps2e670b47.jpg.html)

I think a 23mm socket would work..could I find one? Not!

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050276_zps5bc49096.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050276_zps5bc49096.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on May 07, 2013, 11:42:19 PM: I also put the rear brakes together..

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050284_zpsd66378e5.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050284_zpsd66378e5.jpg.html)

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050303_zpse4ce8e66.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050303_zpse4ce8e66.jpg.html)

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050291_zpsbddec87f.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050291_zpsbddec87f.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on May 07, 2013, 11:44:01 PM: I tried to adjust them by the book...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050295_zps189dca83.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050295_zps189dca83.jpg.html)

I finally just did it by feel...
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on May 07, 2013, 11:47:27 PM: I did notice that the gap on the little keeper had widened.

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050297_zps5fe7b0ca.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050297_zps5fe7b0ca.jpg.html)

A few taps with a brass hammer closed it..

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050301_zpsa2cad1b5.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050301_zpsa2cad1b5.jpg.html)

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050300_zps2f869f2b.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050300_zps2f869f2b.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on May 08, 2013, 01:52:22 PM: One step forward two steps back...i was going to put the front brakes together, but the knuckle just didn't feel smooth..

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050307_zps406128ca.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050307_zps406128ca.jpg.html)

When you take a Bendix axle out, it comes apart..

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050306_zps6eec74b9.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050306_zps6eec74b9.jpg.html)

But it goes back together easily enough...parts on order, again...
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on May 14, 2013, 07:37:46 PM: I managed to get the tub off the saw horses and then tip it on it's side..

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050318_zps6cdba2ac.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050318_zps6cdba2ac.jpg.html)

Looks pretty good!

Here is the block and tackle that I used. Ratcheting tie down straps and a piece of rope just in case....

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050321_zpsa67b2ccb.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050321_zpsa67b2ccb.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on May 17, 2013, 08:36:10 PM: There was an old rust repair in the drivers toeboard that has been bugging me. I've tried to ignore it, there was a small area of rust through...but now it's gone..

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050325_zps20b4a0df.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050325_zps20b4a0df.jpg.html)

And the hole is gone too...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050328_zpsc142b490.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050328_zpsc142b490.jpg.html)

I used seam sealer on the seams that needed it, and i think it is ready for primer...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050324_zps4aca039e.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050324_zps4aca039e.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on May 18, 2013, 04:45:51 PM: The bottom is primed...it may stay that way. I wanted a grey but this is kind of light....time will tell...
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: Matto on May 19, 2013, 10:35:04 AM: That looks absolutely great! Nice job of documenting your progress too.
Matt
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on May 19, 2013, 10:01:08 PM: Thanks Matt,

It is turning out much better than I expected....but now I have to pick a color. That primer gray just doesn't cut it. As my wife said...it's just not a jeep color. So now I'll shop around for a close Duplicolor match for Potomac Gray or Pickett Gray.....I found a very close match for the Luzon Red, and that may happen, but I'm kinda stuck on gray.....
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: athawk11 on May 20, 2013, 01:41:22 PM: That thing looks darn near new.

Great work.

Hey, if you still have a love for sheet metal replacement, maybe I could talk you into fixing mine up!! ?? :-?

Tim
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on May 21, 2013, 11:46:14 AM: Oh I think you need to keep your thread going...I'll be very happy to throw out some valuable free advice from time to time...!
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on May 21, 2013, 11:09:12 PM: One more little detail...a new filler neck, this one has the lip around it, the original had been ground off....
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on May 24, 2013, 10:27:47 PM: I started to remove the old paint, bondo rust etc...One of the reasons I decided to try and save this tub was the condition of the cowl and dash...I'm glad there was no bondo in the cowl...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050355_zpsb5856b94.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050355_zpsb5856b94.jpg.html)

I'm going to use All Metal filler. I really don't think it will need very much..

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050354_zpsa5c66a75.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050354_zpsa5c66a75.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on May 24, 2013, 10:31:28 PM: So now I'm thinking about going with the original color....there is quite a bit left on the firewall.....

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050353_zps4be1e005.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050353_zps4be1e005.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: NoCoWillys on May 25, 2013, 01:00:47 AM: Wow, that's looking great. I'm just about at the same place you are in my body work. You are lucky though, I ended up having to replace the top cowl because the hood mounting area had been bubbified beyond repair. I also replaced my dash and firewall at the same time due to other large holes cut in for radios and who knows what else. I just hope it all came back together "close" enough.

I'm about to prime the bottom tomorrow, do you plan on just priming the bottom, finishing the top filler work and priming, then go back and final paint the bottom before the top? That's been my plan but I'm not sure if it will turn into a nightmare or not yet. :-/
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on May 25, 2013, 09:59:53 AM: That is my plan at the moment, subject to change! Wouldn't a rotisserie be nice....

So right now it's prep, then more body work/filler, then prime, turn it over and add color to the bottom, turn it upright and then more paint.
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on May 26, 2013, 05:26:07 PM: I finally put the front brakes on and repacked the hubs.

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050357_zpsa7d51a75.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050357_zpsa7d51a75.jpg.html)

I assembled the parts to the backplate before putting it on the axle..just a little easier to work with...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050362_zps10da1e55.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050362_zps10da1e55.jpg.html)

I rolled it outside so I could clean the garage, and now it's raining!ï¿½ Oh well, it had to get wet at some point!
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on May 28, 2013, 10:40:29 PM: I made a gasket for the old aluminum master cylinder

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050386_zps2979bf65.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050386_zps2979bf65.jpg.html)

I had it sleeved by Apple Hydraulics a couple of months ago..I hope I can find a replacement cap someday...This one is smaller than the one's used on the cast iron master cylinders.

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050393_zps85a4aad7.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050393_zps85a4aad7.jpg.html)

The new brake lines look good!

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050392_zpsda900a72.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050392_zpsda900a72.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on May 28, 2013, 10:43:55 PM: Here is what the old cap looks like...mangled but it still works..

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050381_zps03fa93ce.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050381_zps03fa93ce.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on May 29, 2013, 10:06:40 PM: Changed both pinion seals today.

The Old

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050404_zps668519bb.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050404_zps668519bb.jpg.html)

The New

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050407_zpsb7596673.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050407_zpsb7596673.jpg.html)

The front yoke didn't have a dust cover..

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050411_zps2fe48716.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050411_zps2fe48716.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on May 29, 2013, 10:11:51 PM: I found this today while getting the engine parts together...a cracked exhaust manifold..

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050414_zps73ab3b35.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050414_zps73ab3b35.jpg.html)

Time to order more parts!
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on May 31, 2013, 08:31:46 PM: The transmission is sort of installed

First the mount is installed on the transmission

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050445_zps75b40139.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050445_zps75b40139.jpg.html)

Then I put the crossmember in

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050432_zpsf4f1e4a8.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050432_zpsf4f1e4a8.jpg.html)

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050441_zps2bd389e8.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050441_zps2bd389e8.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on May 31, 2013, 08:34:14 PM: Here I double checked the fit of the mount before trying to make it fit while holding the transmission..(Thanks Jack!)

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050443_zps454c6149.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050443_zps454c6149.jpg.html)

Fortunately I had two mounts, on the one the studs were about 1/8" too far apart...the other fit perfectly

Ready now...trying not to scratch things up..

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050447_zpsb14d289f.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050447_zpsb14d289f.jpg.html)

(almost) nothing to it! The transfer case is liable to be a different story, it's a heavy hard to hold lump...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050448_zps58ac3388.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050448_zps58ac3388.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on May 31, 2013, 08:39:44 PM: Yesterday I finished up the brake install and replaced the steering bellcrank bearings, and hooked it all up..I bought a brake line kit from Walcks. It fit beautifully...all the right bends..

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050429_zpsa1e1dbae.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050429_zpsa1e1dbae.jpg.html)

It goes fast when everything is clean and ready for assembly..

The machinist called and he will start assembling the engine on Tuesday.....
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on June 02, 2013, 10:34:47 PM: Ready for the transfer case..

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050456_zpsbe290552.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050456_zpsbe290552.jpg.html)

In position, sorta...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050457_zps9009a487.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050457_zps9009a487.jpg.html)

It went to the frame rail, then to a step-stool with a pad, and then it was just a gentle lift into position..

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050458_zps4f1089e5.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050458_zps4f1089e5.jpg.html)

My wife aligned the clutch cross-tube and started the bolts while I held it on place...
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on June 02, 2013, 10:37:32 PM: Then the brake/clutch cross-tube..

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050460_zpsed786944.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050460_zpsed786944.jpg.html)

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050464_zps3cf57fe6.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050464_zps3cf57fe6.jpg.html)

And finally the rear drive shaft

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050467_zpsdd3dfbbc.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050467_zpsdd3dfbbc.jpg.html)

It's been years since the driveshaft had been installed....
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on June 02, 2013, 10:40:44 PM: Here is a shot of the master cylinder way back when...February or March..

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/1951%20CJ-3A/th_P1040449_zps1b75cc77.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/1951%20CJ-3A/P1040449_zps1b75cc77.jpg.html)

And one today...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050465_zps4183f635.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050465_zps4183f635.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: athawk11 on June 03, 2013, 12:35:15 PM: Randy,
You are really flying along. It's really looking good.

Please tell me you're retired...

Cuz, if you're not, you're making me feel like a real schmuck.

It took me a year and a half to get where you're at.

Tim
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on June 03, 2013, 05:56:27 PM: Retired and working on old jeeps...what could be better?

I need to tell myself to slow down and enjoy this part because it took lots of time and effort to get here....
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on June 09, 2013, 03:41:48 PM: I see it's been nearly a week since I posted an update...I have been working on the tub and frame but it's mostly little stuff like sanding and scraping and a little assembly here and there..

But I did disassemble, clean, lube, reassemble and paint the distributor...maybe not in the correct order but I wanted to put it back together right away after cleaning so I would not get the parts mixed up...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050469_zps56e2fea3.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050469_zps56e2fea3.jpg.html)

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050476_zps75d28281.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050476_zps75d28281.jpg.html)

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050417_zpsb09cbfab.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050417_zpsb09cbfab.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on June 09, 2013, 03:50:18 PM: I've been looking at the throwout bearing and slider/carrier..

The old one is on the right in both pictures..

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050530_zps0fb3dec2.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050530_zps0fb3dec2.jpg.html)

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050527_zpsf07670dd.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050527_zpsf07670dd.jpg.html)

You will notice that the return spring fastens in different places on the two carriers, and the section where the bearing rides is larger/taller on the old carrier.

Is there any reason for this? Should I use one over the other?

The old one is really a better fit on the front bearing retainer....and there is no good reason to not use it that I can see.
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on June 10, 2013, 02:05:29 PM: Some people may not consider this art....but I think it is beautiful!

A 4 1/2" side grinder and one of those wire wheels can do some serious paint-bondo-rust removal....

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050541_zps78a64fac.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050541_zps78a64fac.jpg.html)

The ongoing battle with the overlayed side panels...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050543_zps297786ab.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050543_zps297786ab.jpg.html)

Really if it hadn't been for the overlayed sheet metal this repair would have been so much easier...I should have just cut it all out right off the bat....live and learn!
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: NoCoWillys on June 10, 2013, 08:42:44 PM: Where did you get the replacement throwout bearing? If I remember my replacement, it was nearly identical to the one I pulled off.
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on June 10, 2013, 08:58:04 PM: I got the bearing and carrier set from Walcks...it fits and would work just fine, it just isn't exactly the same as the one I took out.
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on June 12, 2013, 07:38:37 PM: Closer and closer to paint....

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050594_zpsea8b7719.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050594_zpsea8b7719.jpg.html)

More cleaning and wire wheel work, then epoxy primer..and then I get to play with the body filler, then some primer-filler and then the color coat!

It's going to be gray. Kind of a medium-dark shade. I have a sample on the tailgate, I'll need to get a picture...

The engine is being assembled. The crank is in and he will do the cam/valves and pistons tomorrow....after that it'll be nearly ready to set in the frame....

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050578_zps92ca9499.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050578_zps92ca9499.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: NoCoWillys on June 12, 2013, 10:26:38 PM: Looking great! I'm cleaning the last bit off and plan to paint on Saturday and Sunday assuming the ash isn't too bad in the air with all the fires in Colorado right now...
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on June 12, 2013, 11:44:36 PM: That is great! I want to paint so bad it hurts, but I read somewhere that the three steps to a good paint job are prep, prep and prep some more!

But, maybe in another week or so?
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on June 13, 2013, 08:04:42 PM: So I cut the drain holes in the sides...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050633_zps56e9e821.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050633_zps56e9e821.jpg.html)

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050634_zps5e9bcd66.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050634_zps5e9bcd66.jpg.html)

It just isn't complete without a drain hole....

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050638_zps6eefa23b.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050638_zps6eefa23b.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on June 20, 2013, 07:44:39 PM: Just so the trail doesn't get cold..

I've been sanding, scraping and wire-wheeling...dusty work, but I'm nearly there.

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050645_zps6ec68efc.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050645_zps6ec68efc.jpg.html)

And I visited the engine today...it's looking good...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050718_zps061da7ab.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050718_zps061da7ab.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on June 20, 2013, 07:45:55 PM: Another before and after...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/1951%20CJ-3A/th_P1040443_zps5997ae58.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/1951%20CJ-3A/P1040443_zps5997ae58.jpg.html)

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050717_zps881be4cc.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050717_zps881be4cc.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: NoCoWillys on June 20, 2013, 11:42:32 PM: I tip my hat to you. Being just barely past you in my rebuild I can tell your metal work is light years ahead of mine. Looking really good.
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on June 21, 2013, 08:54:15 PM: Quote
I tip my hat to you. Being just barely past you in my rebuild I can tell your metal work is light years ahead of mine.ï¿½ Looking really good.

Thanks for the compliment!.....a light year is kind of a long ways though... I have plenty more to learn...
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on June 21, 2013, 08:56:08 PM: So, more scraping, sanding sneezing vacuuming....

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050741_zps266bdddc.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050741_zps266bdddc.jpg.html)

under the dash..

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050744_zpsec80cd45.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050744_zpsec80cd45.jpg.html)

a little more prep, then it's time for epoxy primer!

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050739_zps525180f4.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050739_zps525180f4.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on June 21, 2013, 08:58:00 PM: A little more welding to do..

First the tank hold-down.

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050738_zps5b72da05.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050738_zps5b72da05.jpg.html)

Then the rear top-bow pockets need to be re-attached.

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050737_zps373b5c72.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050737_zps373b5c72.jpg.html)

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050736_zps434d4ab3.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050736_zps434d4ab3.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on June 22, 2013, 04:56:58 PM: Fired up the welder today..I'll fill the holes where the spot welds were drilled with all-metal filler...I didn't want to risk another burn through!

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050757_zps68ce0c62.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050757_zps68ce0c62.jpg.html)

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050758_zpsbfc337d8.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050758_zpsbfc337d8.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on June 22, 2013, 04:58:35 PM: Did some more prep....

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050761_zpsaf39c9e2.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050761_zpsaf39c9e2.jpg.html)

And then I just did it...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050771_zps4c1982e5.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050771_zps4c1982e5.jpg.html)

It looks pretty good....I think it'll turn out OK....

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050770_zpsb4d81337.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050770_zpsb4d81337.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on June 23, 2013, 06:59:39 PM: Before going much further i had to drill the holes for the spare tire mount....I'm going to use the old original mount, it just needs to have the re-enforcing center plate welded back in..

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050781_zpsafeba8e5.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050781_zpsafeba8e5.jpg.html)

After plenty of measuring and tweaking...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050783_zpsf0012b57.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050783_zpsf0012b57.jpg.html)

It's done...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050791_zps4e502b75.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050791_zps4e502b75.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on June 23, 2013, 07:00:50 PM: Before...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/1951%20CJ-3A/th_P1040374.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/1951%20CJ-3A/P1040374.jpg.html)

After...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050786_zps362fa31a.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050786_zps362fa31a.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: NoCoWillys on June 23, 2013, 10:57:08 PM: Nice! Always feels good to get that first coat on it.
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on June 24, 2013, 03:29:55 PM: One "phase" completed and the next is just beginning....I'm looking forward to it. Some filler here and there, more high-fill primer, and then the topcoat, with plenty of sanding and dust....
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on June 24, 2013, 10:11:38 PM: More primer...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050792_zpsd67539ea.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050792_zpsd67539ea.jpg.html)

Filler is next.....
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on June 27, 2013, 07:31:38 PM: A little detour! The machinist called and the engine is ready...I'll go down tomorrow and pick it up, rent a hoist on the way home and set it in the frame....

And yes in the picture the side cover is reversed..I'm sure he has changed it by now...
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on June 27, 2013, 07:40:08 PM: I am making progress on the body..

A few months ago..

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1040957_zps9998178c.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1040957_zps9998178c.jpg.html)

A few weeks ago..

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050595_zps1799082f.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050595_zps1799082f.jpg.html)

Today..

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050822_zps82479576.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050822_zps82479576.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on June 28, 2013, 02:01:48 PM: The engine was ready to go when I arrived this morning...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050826_zps90a7c35e.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050826_zps90a7c35e.jpg.html)

Picked up the lift on the way home..

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050830_zpsb4ba48a4.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050830_zpsb4ba48a4.jpg.html)

Ready, set.....

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050831_zps92d8ed3c.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050831_zps92d8ed3c.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on June 28, 2013, 02:04:29 PM: Now I know what that access cover/port is for...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050834_zps64bea18c.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050834_zps64bea18c.jpg.html)

And after just the right amount of frustration, sweat and verbal encouragement..

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050838_zpsbf8044c9.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050838_zpsbf8044c9.jpg.html)

The "lump" is back!

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050840_zpsb3c30523.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050840_zpsb3c30523.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: bretto on June 28, 2013, 05:39:22 PM: The Tinman would love that engine!
Lookin good.
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on June 28, 2013, 06:18:58 PM: Can you say "Oil can"?

I wanted a little contrast in the engine compartment...now I need to decide if the starter and generator need to be black or engine color.....I'm leaning towards the engine color....crossover tube, horn, oil filter bracket and the dist will be black..I think..
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on July 01, 2013, 04:07:33 PM: Today I tackled the carburetor..

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050869_zpsac058a59.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050869_zpsac058a59.jpg.html)

Lots of parts, but not too bad really....but we will see when the time comes to put it back together...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1050933_zpsc569eafd.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1050933_zpsc569eafd.jpg.html)

I took about 50 pictures....!
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: Doug_3B on July 01, 2013, 10:09:10 PM: Now Randy, that is going to be too nice to take on the trail!

We will have to let you lead on our Jeep runs so we don't accidentally kick up a rock or cover your Jeep in dust!ï¿½ ï¿½ ;D

Seriously, I haven't checked in for awhile and I am absolutely amazed at all you've gotten done!ï¿½ Awesome job!
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: NoCoWillys on July 01, 2013, 10:13:17 PM: Agreed! Looking great! I remember mounting my rebuild transmission back up. What a pain! I think I had to redo the assemble twice when I accidentally knocked the bearings lose a few times.
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on July 01, 2013, 11:24:46 PM: Aw shucks guy's, I'm speechless!

Seriously though, it has been a lot of work and it probably would not have happened if not for this forum and all the advice/experiences/knowledge of others...

But, there is plenty left to do!

The carb is back together. I used a couple of the old parts, one that was not provided in the NOS Carter kit and i used the old needle and seat because it just looked like a better valve...

Not show quality, but I think it'll run...I used the Sta-bil to lube the accelerator pump plunger..couldn't find the Marvel Mystery oil..
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: F Bill on July 02, 2013, 07:16:53 AM: Purdy!!

I think it is time to retitle your thread...

How about NOT too rusty to save!
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on July 02, 2013, 09:49:57 PM: Let's at least wait until I drive it around the block....!!
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on July 02, 2013, 09:57:53 PM: I started in on the fuel pump...this turns out to be much more difficult as the diaphragm's and rocker arm are held in with machine pressed fittings...so some grinding and (gentle) hammering to get them apart....and without the right tool I wasn't able to find a way to remove the old one-way valves without destroying them...too bad 'cause they were kind of cool...oh well.

The kit has all the replacements and directions ...

I think this is an Airtex 4036 pump as there are no markings other than "Made in the USA"...and there was a metal tag stamped with 4036...

Randy
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on July 03, 2013, 11:32:10 PM: Next time I need a fuel pump rebuilt I'm going to put it in a cardboard box and send it to someone who rebuilds fuel pumps...

You see all sorts of things when you post a picture...I see I've forgotten to replace the little model # tag....
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: athawk11 on July 04, 2013, 08:51:39 AM: Very cool pump. 8-) Love the glass tops.

Tim
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on July 04, 2013, 10:48:55 AM: Thanks Tim,

The rebuild wasn't that bad, there was a lot of head scratching trying to figure out how to get the machine pressed parts separated without ruining them.

I'd do another...

This was on a jeep that was for sale....It kinda proves that a jeep will run on almost anything...

Click on it..it's a short video.....

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/yellow%20jeep/th_yellowcjfuelpump_zps4c34aa33.jpg) (http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/yellow%20jeep/yellowcjfuelpump_zps4c34aa33.mp4)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on July 05, 2013, 08:59:08 PM: I installed the heat riser into the new/old manifold today..

I had to weld the flapper to the shaft..

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060013_zps2d49317e.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060013_zps2d49317e.jpg.html)

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060014_zpsc28954e8.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060014_zpsc28954e8.jpg.html)

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060017_zpsf74e9623.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060017_zpsf74e9623.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on July 05, 2013, 09:01:08 PM: It works!

Cold..

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060019_zps3a92801e.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060019_zps3a92801e.jpg.html)

After warming with a heat gun..

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060020_zps44f04caa.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060020_zps44f04caa.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on July 05, 2013, 09:04:19 PM: I'm putting the various components back on the engine....

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060027_zps230ad036.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060027_zps230ad036.jpg.html)

And I set the timing when installing the distributor...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060032_zps7c57c641.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060032_zps7c57c641.jpg.html)

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060034_zpsef66a7e8.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060034_zpsef66a7e8.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: NoCoWillys on July 06, 2013, 01:57:05 PM: That motor almost looks too clean!
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on July 06, 2013, 06:49:55 PM: Give me a chance to spill something on it!! :D

Here is a "before" picture...
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on July 07, 2013, 09:51:23 PM: I did not have the anchor for the throttle return spring, but I had the one for the emergency brake....so I copied it...i think it'll work fine...
(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060044_zps28157bb4.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060044_zps28157bb4.jpg.html)

And I straightened and welded the old spare tire carrier..

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060047_zpsbc69b7c6.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060047_zpsbc69b7c6.jpg.html)

It's nearly time to put the manifolds on...hoses are in, I'll add the fuel pump next..

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060042_zps3a9c235c.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060042_zps3a9c235c.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on July 07, 2013, 09:55:14 PM: I searched for a color match for the oil filter housing..

somewhere i read about a Duplicolor Chrysler engine paint..

The right half is painted with the duplicolor, the left is still the original paint...pretty darn close

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060048_zps3972c0b9.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060048_zps3972c0b9.jpg.html)

now that adds a little color!

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060050_zps3050424b.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060050_zps3050424b.jpg.html)

The paint is Duplicolor Chrysler Hemi Orange engine paint..DE1652
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on July 07, 2013, 10:14:28 PM: The jeep came with this governor mounting bracket...I'll re-install it, just in case I find a governor one of these days...

It reads: "Warning Do Not engage or Disengage Governor While engine Is Running"

I've read that this refers to a Monarch governor..but a Novi would do...
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on July 09, 2013, 12:52:55 AM: Fuel pump, manifolds, carb, water pump etc..busy day!

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060067_zpsa7b53b05.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060067_zpsa7b53b05.jpg.html)

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060072_zps235f32fb.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060072_zps235f32fb.jpg.html)

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060077_zps52ce0f07.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060077_zps52ce0f07.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on July 12, 2013, 04:27:09 PM: I've been doing some body work in the mornings when it's still cool enough..the metal storage unit is like an oven in the afternoon...

But mostly I've been cleaning the old parts and brackets etc.

Can you see the connection for the heater hose on the water pump in the second picture? At that angle it won't work as the hose hits the oil filter bracket...the heater connection on the old pump was on the other side near the output...

any suggestions?

My CJ-5 has a curved hose connection there and that works fine...
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: athawk11 on July 12, 2013, 04:38:09 PM: This was my approach to the same issue...

(http://i1195.photobucket.com/albums/aa397/athawk11/20130417002e_zps6021c19c.jpg) (http://s1195.photobucket.com/user/athawk11/media/20130417002e_zps6021c19c.jpg.html)

I think I picked it up at Lowes or Home Depot.

Tim
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on July 12, 2013, 04:50:36 PM: Thanks Tim, that looks perfect...I figured there must be something out there that would work, I have not seen another curved one as on the CJ-5...

You might be able to see it here...
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on July 15, 2013, 10:33:14 PM: Picked up the wheels, grill and tailgate from the sandblaster today...I'll try and get them primed tomorrow if it's not too hot...

Four of the wheels are riveted K-H 15 x 4.5, and the fifth is the same size and profile, though it's not marked K-H and it's not riveted...
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on July 18, 2013, 11:20:52 PM: This body work turns out to be quite a long process.....fill a little, sand a lot, fill some more, sand some more, maybe a little primer, then a little glaze, sand and fill sand and fill.

But I'm getting there...

Not so long ago..

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1040698_zps13b90fe2.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1040698_zps13b90fe2.jpg.html)

Today

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060155_zps77ed18da.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060155_zps77ed18da.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on July 22, 2013, 12:25:05 AM: After the encouragement from another thread, I tackled the left front fender...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060176_zpsfdcf8e04.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060176_zpsfdcf8e04.jpg.html)

Looks OK..

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060177_zpse1e03fad.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060177_zpse1e03fad.jpg.html)

I'm not sure what to do here....

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060169_zps867e72f8.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060169_zps867e72f8.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on July 22, 2013, 10:37:26 PM: Today I cut out the rust where the fender bolts to the tub..

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060168_zps2679b66f.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060168_zps2679b66f.jpg.html)

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060180_zps1f8bfdf5.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060180_zps1f8bfdf5.jpg.html)

One patch made...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060183_zpsaf563248.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060183_zpsaf563248.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: athawk11 on July 23, 2013, 10:57:09 AM: Very nice. I have a sneaking suspicion that you are enjoying this process too much. Will there be another?

I know you've probably mentioned it in your thread somewhere...

What type of rust preventative primer are you using?

Tim
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on July 23, 2013, 04:41:54 PM: Hi Tim,

Somewhere early on it was mentioned that I take it one little piece at a time, and don't stand too far back and look at the whole project as it's easy to be overwhelmed...

When I remember to do that it is lots of fun....

There is a fairly complete M-38 around here, if he hasn't sold it.....but my jeep fund dried up about a month (or was that two months?) ago.....but, still.... ;)

I used SEM 39304 rust converter. It is classified as a primer, according to the bottle...but I put Eastwood 2k epoxy primer over that.

If I were to do it again I'd really have to consider having it sand blasted and then shooting 2K primer with a proper spray gun..I spent too many $$$ on spray cans ....

Randy
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: gmcjr on July 23, 2013, 08:48:04 PM: WOW! Between and Tim, I get exhausted just looking at what y'all two get accomplished! Your going to have a real good looking jeep.
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on July 24, 2013, 02:33:21 PM: Exhausted? Yes...I know the feeling!
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on July 25, 2013, 09:12:32 PM: I think the fender turned out pretty good.....probably my best patch so far and you won't even be able to find it once it's on the jeep...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060238_zpsb6ede2dd.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060238_zpsb6ede2dd.jpg.html)

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060239_zps29dace5b.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060239_zps29dace5b.jpg.html)

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060245_zps9456f0cb.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060245_zps9456f0cb.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on July 25, 2013, 09:13:48 PM: More...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060250_zpse5095b24.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060250_zpse5095b24.jpg.html)

And that other big part looks OK too...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060237_zpsddb9b31a.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060237_zpsddb9b31a.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on July 27, 2013, 10:53:49 PM: And yet one more little patch....i could have just used a large washer over this hole, but...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060253_zpsa5c15b2c.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060253_zpsa5c15b2c.jpg.html)

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060256_zpsde9067c4.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060256_zpsde9067c4.jpg.html)

And there was this starter solenoid bolted to the inner skirt of the passenger fender...wasn't hooked to anything. Jeep has a kick-start starter and one position ignition switch...so what this was for is anyone's guess...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060260_zps33db4c2e.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060260_zps33db4c2e.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on July 30, 2013, 08:05:34 PM: Passenger fender repairs.....seems like all you need to do is tell yourself that this one is going to be easy....that automatically makes it twice as difficult..!

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060261_zps767522bd.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060261_zps767522bd.jpg.html)

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060265_zpsa073a5a3.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060265_zpsa073a5a3.jpg.html)

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060267_zps0e873cdb.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060267_zps0e873cdb.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: garage gnome on July 30, 2013, 09:18:36 PM: I decided I'm going to send my '49 to you to fix the tub. You do good work!
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on July 30, 2013, 10:21:16 PM: Quote
I decided I'm going to send my '49 to you to fix the tub. You do good work!

I appreciate that... :)

But you better hurry, the more I learn, the more I charge!
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on July 30, 2013, 10:26:22 PM: Needing a little encouragement-the 3A has not really looked like a jeep for a while-and having to fit the brace on the driver's fender before welding it in place, I hung the front end loosely together..

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060271_zps80e58b30.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060271_zps80e58b30.jpg.html)

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060282_zps9cd683a0.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060282_zps9cd683a0.jpg.html)

Hey, there's a jeep in my garage!

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060274_zps05ed6ed6.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060274_zps05ed6ed6.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: athawk11 on July 31, 2013, 10:57:16 AM: I've said it before, I'll say it again...very nice work. I always enjoy mock up days.

Is the grille painted in the final color...White? Or is that primer?

That solenoid could have been a remnant from days gone by. Over 60+ years, a different starter may have once been present.

Tim
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on July 31, 2013, 01:00:36 PM: Thanks Tim,

The grill has primer on it...final will be a gray (I think) but darker, closer to Picket Gray..

The solenoid could have been anything.....The ignition key is a single position, and the starter is the correct type, and had a matching coat of grease and crud....

I think the solenoid will just be one of those Willys mysteries...

I'll get that brace welded and then the fenders will go to the sandblaster and then I'll get them ready to paint....

Randy
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: PaulS on August 02, 2013, 11:50:54 AM: When I first drove the Jeep I now have (years before I owned it), you had to turn the key to start *and* press the foot button to start it. The starter at the time was an original core, but had been rewired not to use the starter button on top. Instead, a solenoid had been added. But you still had to manually engage the pinion with the pedal.

A year or two before I bought it, though, the PO had the starter rebuilt (which it sorely needed), and the rebuilder actually knew how a 3A starter was supposed to be wired. When reinstalled, that left the solenoid redundant. When I bought it, the solenoid was bolted to the fender, with no wires going to it, just like yours.

-Paul
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: athawk11 on August 02, 2013, 12:01:50 PM: Paul,
That could be the answer. This is one of the things I find so interesting about these old flat fenders...the historical modifications and trying to decipher why it may have been done.

You know, the old adage...'Things that make you go, Hmmm." :-/

Tim
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on August 02, 2013, 09:51:10 PM: Quote
When I first drove the Jeep I now have (years before I owned it), you had to turn the key to start *and* press the foot button to start it.ï¿½ The starter at the time was an original core, but had been rewired not to use the starter button on top.ï¿½ Instead, a solenoid had been added.ï¿½ But you still had to manually engage the pinion with the pedal.

A year or two before I bought it, though, the PO had the starter rebuilt (which it sorely needed), and the rebuilder actually knew how a 3A starter was supposed to be wired.ï¿½ When reinstalled, that left the solenoid redundant.ï¿½ When I bought it, the solenoid was bolted to the fender, with no wires going to it, just like yours.

-Paul

That is a pretty good explanation...jeeps were tools to be used, like any other farm implement or tractor, and you did what you needed to do to keep them going.

"fix it up, make it work, wear it out..."
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on August 04, 2013, 08:01:49 PM: Worked on the tailgate today...I found this rust repair strip on ebay, made by a fellow who made one for his own jeep....it took a little fitting but the result is worth it...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060302_zps5fa026cc.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060302_zps5fa026cc.jpg.html)

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060305_zps5436dc1b.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060305_zps5436dc1b.jpg.html)

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Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on August 05, 2013, 04:38:52 PM: More fender work...after getting these back from the sandblaster there was more work to be done...the good news is the rust was gone and welding was much easier...

Before..

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(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060323_zps37d563e5.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060323_zps37d563e5.jpg.html)

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060327_zpsb3035622.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060327_zpsb3035622.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: F Bill on August 05, 2013, 05:45:25 PM: Nice work!

If you were to condense what you have learned from your jeep body rebuilding journey into the top 3 or 5 or ten things you learned.....What would you say are the most important things to do or not do.....The best tools to use, the best way to cut out rot, etc?

I gotta say it is really nice to see the progress your skills have made since the start of the project...From "is it too rusty? to" looks like an easy fix instead of replacing...."

Again.job well done.
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on August 05, 2013, 07:36:43 PM: Thanks Bill,

Wow, where to start?

Get hearing protectors a face shield, dust mask, leather gloves...overalls or a shop apron...and saline solution for washing out your eyes, because you will get bits of rust-steel-bondo-cutting wheel or whatever in them...

Then.....have a plan.....I started plugging the really big rust holes and now I'm down to the little holes...but if I had admitted to myself that all those holes needed repair, I wouldn't have had to do some of the areas twice..or three times....I ignored much of the rust to begin with thinking I'd just ignore it....but every patch makes it look a little better and you want a nice result...and once the rust is cut out, it's just a hole that needs filling...

As a follow up to #1, just get the tub sandblasted...it's amazing how many holes there are that you didn't think were there...and clean steel is soooooo much easier to weld to.

I bought a 4 1/2" side grinder and I cut almost all the rust out with it....I bought a DeWalt because I liked the feel and the paddle switch..and just buy the economy 10 (or 25) pack of cutting wheels because you will use them...I have used it a lot....and you can get twisted steel wire wheels that will remove old bondo very fast...and nearly everything else...!

I have a $39.99 Harbor Freight electric shear that I figured would last a little while, bit it's still going strong and cuts that 18ga like butter....I bought a set of hand shears also but they don't get that much use. Almost all the metal cutting is done either with the electric shear or the side grinder.

I finally bought a bench grinder and put a wire wheel on one side...I use it more than I imagined.

And of course the welder. It's amazing what you can do with a welder. Suddenly the possibilities are almost endless. Build what you need and repair almost anything....

That's all for now....there are probably a million other things...
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: athawk11 on August 06, 2013, 12:44:00 PM: I have recently starting using a tool that is useful when trying to grind down plug welds in very tight places. It's the oscillating style tool. I think Fein came out with it, but now all the tool suppliers make one. They have a varity of cutting blades and sander heads to choose from. Dremmel has a straight blade with carbide teeth. Turn the tool up to 'High' and this blade will literally chew the weld down to flush. It almost carves it away. You don't have to be as stategic when choosing where your plug welds are.

Tim
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on August 06, 2013, 04:23:02 PM: You know I have one of those and I'm still trying to find a use for it......we bought it to cut up and remove a fiberglass bathtub.. it didn't work well..but the angle grinder made short work of it.

I'll try one of those carbide blades though...there are a couple of spots I'd like to clean up before paint......
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on August 08, 2013, 07:37:00 PM: So yet another patch this morning...It was so small I was going to just patch it with bondo as it's directly over the hat channel....but we all know that just wouldn't do....

This one is only about 1" by 5/8" so I cut out the rust with a Dremel tool and a cut-off disk.

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060331_zps20a5ac09.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060331_zps20a5ac09.jpg.html)

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060336_zps3d207f39.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060336_zps3d207f39.jpg.html)

The grinder smooths it out nicely..

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060338_zps766fc631.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060338_zps766fc631.jpg.html)

Now it's time for the other fender.....
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on August 10, 2013, 11:54:01 AM: So the tub is nearly there.....I've been filling and sanding, and now the glaze coat had been applied...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060344_zps507b138d.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060344_zps507b138d.jpg.html)

Then the filler/primer

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I think it's ready...

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Way back when the plan was to use rattle cans for final color coat....I've put so much time into this I want a nice result, so an auto painter/restorer friend of mine will either do the final paint or he will help me through it, either way we will use a real paint booth and paint gun and 2 part paint....
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on August 10, 2013, 08:06:10 PM: The passenger fender is coming along....

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060342_zpsbf66afb7.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060342_zpsbf66afb7.jpg.html)

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(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060361_zpsf591d2fc.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060361_zpsf591d2fc.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on August 11, 2013, 06:39:38 PM: So at one time not so long ago I patched the passenger fender hat brace....when i had the fender sandblasted the remaining part of the brace didn't look too good and neither did my patch..

So I took the old one out.

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And welded a new one in....

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Much better....
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on August 11, 2013, 06:41:36 PM: And i patched the rusted out corner on the fender...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060362_zps401dedb9.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060362_zps401dedb9.jpg.html)

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060363_zpsfe31d1ea.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060363_zpsfe31d1ea.jpg.html)

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060364_zps3b152f58.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060364_zps3b152f58.jpg.html)

And now I'm thinking that I should assemble the entire thing before painting........there have been lots of changes, and everything should fit, but......
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on August 12, 2013, 09:12:06 PM: The tires finally shipped, so i'm getting the wheels ready for paint...

This is primer...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060382_zps569fd3c5.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060382_zps569fd3c5.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on August 12, 2013, 09:15:19 PM: I made a captured nut cage, as I could not find one to buy, and then i had to make the nut, as I could not find one of those either....

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060374_zps1d47c112.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060374_zps1d47c112.jpg.html)

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060379_zps686fd94d.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060379_zps686fd94d.jpg.html)

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060385_zps867b5209.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060385_zps867b5209.jpg.html)

This one will weld on under the tub for the outboard driver seat leg....I need at least one more for the leg that sits on the riser/bed floor....
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on August 13, 2013, 05:46:23 PM: The wheels got their first coats of color......I read somewhere that the "correct" wheel color for a Picket Gray jeep was Harvard Red.....

I call this "Unremarkable Red"...it's just red. Almost an implement red but not too bright. The real name is Regal Red...Rustoleum....easily touched up and quick to fade...perfect!

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060387_zps6892be78.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060387_zps6892be78.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on August 15, 2013, 12:29:18 PM: I started a thread about the small bracket that secures the starter to the block...mine was missing.....

Garage Gnome had an extra and was good enough to send it to me....

I finally got around to installing it....i see i need a shorter bolt though...

Thanks Nate!!
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on August 15, 2013, 08:55:28 PM: This old picture popped up on the internet...This is how it looked on that cold day in January.....
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on August 17, 2013, 03:41:34 PM: At one point in this jeep's long and rusty life, someone riveted new floor panels in...they covered the tool box and part of the bed as well. I drilled all the rivets out, and I've been thinking about how I'll fill the holes because i plan to use the original tool box lid...

The Harbor Freight pneumatic flanger I bought has a hole punch also..about 3/16", and it leaves these perfect little slugs...

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(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060408_zps35b55416.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060408_zps35b55416.jpg.html)

I'll tack them with a weld on the inside.....
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: garage gnome on August 19, 2013, 07:29:08 AM: Glad you got the bracket and are happy with it!
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on August 20, 2013, 06:08:03 PM: Quote
Glad you got the bracket and are happy with it!

It would not have been complete without you!
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on August 20, 2013, 06:09:32 PM: Tires are mounted....

I'm liking it!

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060433_zpsb89c9c49.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060433_zpsb89c9c49.jpg.html)

I've been ignoring the windshield frame...but it's time has come....

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Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: bretto on August 21, 2013, 09:20:35 AM: Way cool.
Did you mount the tires yourself? When I got my STA's I figured I was going to at least try doing one. After I did all 5, I thought it wasn't a bad job at all.
Now the windshield is another story, I hated putting that rubber seal in. It took forever.

Brett
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on August 21, 2013, 09:28:46 AM: I have a small set of tire irons, but they are for a Model A or something and I didn't have a chance...so I took them to Big-O..

That windshield looks like it could be fun.....Did you put the seal on the glass first or in the frame? Just a guess but it looks like it goes in the frame first...but I don't even have one yet....

Anyone happen to have a picture of the windshield vent mounting/hinge screws? Mine had been replaced and it looks like there needs to be a spacer or something between the hinge and the frame...they had just used washers....
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: bretto on August 21, 2013, 09:46:03 AM: I followed the lead of this page for installing the glass.
http://www.cj3apage.com/index/My_1950/reassembly/how_to_replace_your_windshield_g.htm

Dont use petroleum jelly as noted, just some good soapy water.

You'll find there is debate on whether the lock groove and strip goes in the front or the rear.ï¿½ Mine was in the rear or inside and I installed it back on that side.ï¿½ Where was yours?

http://www.cj3apage.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1344048232/12#12
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: macrisel on August 21, 2013, 10:08:56 AM: Before you get too carried away, you may give your local glass company a call. They installed my windshield for $20 and it only took them about 20 minutes while I watched. That way, if THEY broke it while installing it, the replacement glass was coming out of their budget and not mine!\

Plus, they really got a kick out of seeing the old jeep!
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on August 21, 2013, 10:25:54 AM: My locking strip/groove was on the inside....

Windex always works well for lubricating and assembling rubber parts...

A glass shop is a definite option...

Everyone loves old jeeps...the fellow who mounted my tires told me a story about his grandfather and the old jeep he used to tow around and hunt with...and then he upgraded and bought a Renegade!
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on August 21, 2013, 04:20:45 PM: Just getting around to the seats....I plan to get the frames sandblasted and then powder coated.

When I took the seat backs off I found what must be the original springs and padding....The seat bottoms were just foam-no springs..

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060434_zps3bfb9fad.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060434_zps3bfb9fad.jpg.html)

And then what appears to be the original gray vinyl/fabric underneath..

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I ordered bottoms and backs from Beachwood...they look like a perfect fit...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060446_zps33b0269b.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060446_zps33b0269b.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on August 21, 2013, 04:23:31 PM: Roll out...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060437_zpse90f9808.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060437_zpse90f9808.jpg.html)

But just so I could sweep and straighten up the garage...
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: Ryan_M on August 21, 2013, 08:57:17 PM: Are you planning on test driving it like that prior to installation of the tub? I robbed the seat off my lawn tractor and strapped a red gas can to the bumper. I'm glad I did as I discovered immediate problems that required pulling the tranny (3 or 4 times!!). Much easier to do with no tub in the way.
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on August 21, 2013, 09:39:29 PM: I was going to wait until the tub was on......but now you have me thinking.....
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: Ryan_M on August 22, 2013, 06:20:42 AM: Here's what I did. And I know I'm not the only one who went this route. As an added bonus, your neighbors will think you're completely insane when they see you whipping around the neighborhood in this thing.
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on August 22, 2013, 09:36:06 AM: I was looking at it last night and thought that 2x4's across the frame would hold the seat. I wasn't sure if the grill alone would be strong enough to hold the radiator....but I see your solution now...the frame and the upper radiator hose should hold it just fine...

I would think the only wires you would need would be a jumper to the positive side of the coil from the battery, and the wire to the distributor..and battery cables of course...

It would be fun to hear it run.....
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: PaulS on August 22, 2013, 11:37:32 AM: Quote
Roll out...

But just so I could sweep and straighten up the garage...

Man, I hope mine looks that good when I get to that point!

-Paul
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on August 22, 2013, 05:37:02 PM: Quote
Quote
Roll out...

But just so I could sweep and straighten up the garage...

Man, I hope mine looks that good when I get to that point!

-Paul

It will....one sticky, greasy, rusty part at a time, and eventually you run out of sticky greasy parts and all you have left are nice clean newly painted parts....
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on August 24, 2013, 04:04:57 PM: I've been putting off the windshield frame repair...I didn't really know how I was going to go about it. But, like everything, just start in and you'll see what needs to be done....

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060424_zpse058b4e2.jpg)

After the sandblasting and removing the rusted through corner.

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Patch is ready..

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060483_zps64d83871.jpg)

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060490_zpsd119ce0e.jpg)

Four pictures! how about that...but, with the URL deleted clicking the picture no longer takes you to the album..

So we'll try one more, URL included..clicking this last thumbnail will take you to the album....

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060485_zpsac061c73.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060485_zpsac061c73.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on August 24, 2013, 04:06:44 PM: I didn't get a picture of the finished right side..So here is the left..

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060475_zpsb933b8d0.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060475_zpsb933b8d0.jpg.html)

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060480_zps31913a3e.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060480_zps31913a3e.jpg.html)

It needed a little extra patch on the door fabric rail..

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060487_zps7de950ad.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060487_zps7de950ad.jpg.html)

Lots more pictures in the album, as always just clicking on one of the above thumbnails will take you there...
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on August 27, 2013, 08:20:31 PM: Some time ago I posted a picture showing the outlet from the water pump that goes to the heater. I can't find that exact picture but the problem was that the hose interfered with the oil filter bracket, as the early/original pumps had the heater outlet in a different location..

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060075_zps5b024dd7.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060075_zps5b024dd7.jpg.html)

Athawk11 responded with a picture of a 90 degree elbow that solves the problem.

Today I went looking for a 90 and found this 45 instead...problem solved.

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060500_zpsbb9c2f51.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060500_zpsbb9c2f51.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on August 27, 2013, 08:25:26 PM: While shopping for brass fittings I got some for the fuel pump vacuum lines and fuel lines. This is an original type AC 9562 that I was lucky to find on ebay...

I don't know if this is how the vacuum lines were originally routed...I only just recently learned through this forum that the one to the intake manifold existed at all!

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060503_zps070f0e38.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060503_zps070f0e38.jpg.html)

There is a local shop that makes hydraulic lines and brake lines, and they bent and flared the vacuum lines based on my guesstimates, and they also had the fittings.

I also filled and bled the brakes for the first time...they seem to work, nice stiff pedal...I had a small seep at the "Y" fitting, but I hope that's fixed.....
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on August 28, 2013, 06:26:51 PM: So I've started adding the fluids...I bought this bucket pump at the local bulk oil dealer.

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060509_zps036677d7.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060509_zps036677d7.jpg.html)

It bothered me a little that there would be nearly a quart in the bottom of the bucket just to prime the pump, and it would be left over when through. and this is GL-4, I'll put GL-5 in the diffs....

So I cut the top off the gallon oil jug and put it in the bucket, and then put the pump into the jug....

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060508_zps8c97b3e9.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060508_zps8c97b3e9.jpg.html)

And here is my version of "knuckle pudding"...Corn Head grease and 140wt GL-4, about 50-50...the knuckles hold just about 8 oz each...the squeeze bottle holds 9 oz...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060507_zps915a65c0.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060507_zps915a65c0.jpg.html)

Nothing to do now but sit back and wait for the leaks to develop!
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on August 29, 2013, 11:14:38 PM: Start-up tomorrow, maybe. but I'm nearly ready...

There is a little Bubba in all of us!!
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on August 31, 2013, 06:00:40 PM: More to follow...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llgUmSSY1Wc&feature=c4-overview&list=UUUDIsgNyS1nDiJ4lvb9lx1Q
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on August 31, 2013, 06:38:10 PM: Sounds like a jeep!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjVKeoOY1fw&feature=c4-overview&list=UUUDIsgNyS1nDiJ4lvb9lx1Q
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: bretto on September 01, 2013, 08:38:21 AM: NICE! Thanks for sharing. I Remember that day with mine. Get any strange looks?
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: F Bill on September 01, 2013, 08:51:48 AM: Fantastic!! Who needs a tub anyway? Loved the high tech starter pushrod and your ignition switch. I have to admit it is one of the better sounding jeep videos. Most jeeps sound like a hundred midgets with hammers inside a rock filled cement mixer on video for some reason.

It won't be long until you will need another jeep project to keep you off the street corners and out of trouble. Just say the word and I'll put one on the trailer.
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on September 01, 2013, 02:53:26 PM: You know, now all I want to do is drive it!! I think with a better seat and some goggles I'll be good to go...

I only saw a few neighbors.. I took my around the block drive during the BSU football game so I knew the streets would be deserted! I did twist a few necks..one kid even turned around so he could see it again...

My ignition switch was going to be a "dead-man" switch also, in case I fell off...but I forgot to hook it on my shoe...

My wife bought me a GoPro2 last fall when they went on sale..just in time for my birthday! It has great video quality and sound...I'm just barely tech-savvy enough to use it...
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: Ryan_M on September 02, 2013, 02:31:39 PM: Outstanding. I love the added "safety" of the plywood floor pan.
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on September 02, 2013, 03:21:06 PM: Quote
Outstanding. I love the added "safety" of the plywood floor pan.

I need a seat belt....and another (better) seat!!
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on September 02, 2013, 03:23:15 PM: Now, we all enjoy those before and after pictures...

But, how aboutï¿½ "then" and "now" pictures..?

Wow, that's a big picture!
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on September 03, 2013, 11:16:34 PM: I posted a thread about the dimmer switch, and Ryan had one exactly like mine, so i guess it must be original, or close enough...but it didn't work..

so i took it apart..

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060540_zps89293658.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060540_zps89293658.jpg.html)

cleaned it..

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060539_zps86f8fc4a.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060539_zps86f8fc4a.jpg.html)

Lubed,

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060541_zps364a5343.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060541_zps364a5343.jpg.html)

Reassembled, and it works..

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060546_zps23839ab5.jpg)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on September 03, 2013, 11:18:33 PM: And so, the light switch was intermittent...but not anymore..

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060542_zps31227216.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060542_zps31227216.jpg.html)

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060543_zps456a7a3f.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060543_zps456a7a3f.jpg.html)

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060544_zpsc6f5603e.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060544_zpsc6f5603e.jpg.html)

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060545_zps0865b9c1.jpg)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on September 07, 2013, 03:10:56 PM: I've been working on the fenders..

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060551_zpsc7d78839.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060551_zpsc7d78839.jpg.html)

So I thought I'd see if they still fit..

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060555_zpsa970fd14.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060555_zpsa970fd14.jpg.html)

And the hood was right there....

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060554_zpsd6126905.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060554_zpsd6126905.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on September 07, 2013, 03:12:56 PM: I also drilled all the various holes for footman loops, tail light and the seats..

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060549_zpsd0988893.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060549_zpsd0988893.jpg.html)

And then I hung it all together....Now, for a little paint!

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060566_zps5dd88108.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060566_zps5dd88108.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on September 08, 2013, 10:43:29 PM: I finally put the lock-out hubs on...

They are not Warn or Dualmatics, but I think they fit the personality of this unassuming little jeep...

I like em!!

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060574_zps98c259a6.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060574_zps98c259a6.jpg.html)

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060570_zps13367fe2.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060570_zps13367fe2.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: bretto on September 09, 2013, 06:46:17 AM: Those are Selectro hubs, if you didn't know.
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on September 09, 2013, 10:18:49 AM: Thanks Bretto, that is good to know.

They are new so they shouldn't need anything but if I ever need parts....

I greased them pretty well before I installed them, but I did not dis-assemble them They still had pretty fresh looking factory grease in there....should I have done more?
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on September 12, 2013, 05:52:46 PM: I drilled and installed the thermostat...seems to work fine, it indicates about a needle width below 180 after a trip or two around the block..

You can see that I've upgraded my seat...much more secure and the seat back is a huge improvement, gives it a bit of the "retro" look..no one has mistaken it for a Stutz Bearcat though...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060584_zpscaebe6d6.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060584_zpscaebe6d6.jpg.html)

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060588_zpsee903100.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060588_zpsee903100.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: Ryan_M on September 12, 2013, 08:10:19 PM: Quote
You can see that I've upgraded my seat...much more secure and the seat back is a huge improvement, gives it a bit of the "retro" look..no one has mistaken it for a Stutz Bearcat though...

No Stutz-Bearcat but that's at least a 3rd place trophy winner in any "Rat Rod" class....
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on September 12, 2013, 11:10:06 PM: Only 3rd?
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: Ryan_M on September 13, 2013, 08:32:36 AM: Yes, only 3rd. I do not see an 8-ball or hand grenade shift knob. Those are a must for any first or second place consideration.
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on September 15, 2013, 06:16:45 PM: Quote
Yes, only 3rd. I do not see an 8-ball or hand grenade shift knob. Those are a must for any first or second place consideration.

No grenades or 8 balls...Does the spare tire buy me anything?

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060594_zpsd302bf9b.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060594_zpsd302bf9b.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on September 17, 2013, 04:30:55 PM: Still hoping to hear at any moment from the painter..but until then..

I decided to clean up the horn and get it ready for paint...

These pictures are just to show me where all the parts go when it's time to re-assemble...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060613_zps9f777dad.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060613_zps9f777dad.jpg.html)

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060614_zps1d4ca50a.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060614_zps1d4ca50a.jpg.html)

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060615_zpsdb3671b8.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060615_zpsdb3671b8.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on September 17, 2013, 04:33:36 PM: The only tricky spot was the orientation of the tab on the vibrating disc...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060619_zps70fc73aa.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060619_zps70fc73aa.jpg.html)

It needs to rest against the phenolic plate where the points are mounted..

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060618_zpse8747cff.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060618_zpse8747cff.jpg.html)

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060617_zps8a40e908.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060617_zps8a40e908.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on September 17, 2013, 04:35:18 PM: Pretty well cleaned up...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060623_zpsede9c6a6.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060623_zpsede9c6a6.jpg.html)

flip side...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060622_zps0c7682ed.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060622_zps0c7682ed.jpg.html)

I decided to put it loosely back together awaiting paint...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060640_zps6bbb155d.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060640_zps6bbb155d.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on September 17, 2013, 04:36:19 PM: I always like finding these marks. Back then the manufacturers were proud of their products and wanted everyone to know who made them...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060629_zps9f6b237a.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060629_zps9f6b237a.jpg.html)

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060630_zps129d61a5.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060630_zps129d61a5.jpg.html)

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060628_zps4b0c2af0.jpg)

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060636_zps7f6967c7.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060636_zps7f6967c7.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on September 18, 2013, 11:07:54 PM: I'm running out of things to do until the tub gets painted.....

Fender is ready ...more then and now pics...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060167_zpsc42bb5ad.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060167_zpsc42bb5ad.jpg.html)

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060643_zps66ca914c.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060643_zps66ca914c.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on September 29, 2013, 12:30:55 PM: I posted another thread about the friction washers on the outside rear view mirror. I got some good suggestions but then I found these...

http://www.lowbrowcustoms.com/p2220/buy/fab-parts/hardware/washers-amp-grommets/standard/3-8-quot-/cycle-standard-leather-washers-1-quot-diameter-x-1-8-quot-thick-with-3-8-quot-hole-10-pack/

I'm not sure if the originals were leather but these work great and I'll use them elsewhere, like under the driver seat legs...

I'm posting this here just to keep things in one thread..

And I'm still waiting to hear from the painter....
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: athawk11 on September 29, 2013, 02:32:01 PM: Very cool! 8-)

I don't know if they are original or not, but ya just can't go wrong with leather washers on an old vintage Willys.ï¿½

Tim
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on September 29, 2013, 02:38:25 PM: I'm still soaking one of the washers that I removed to see if is leather....I still think it could be....
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on October 04, 2013, 07:36:51 PM: So the tub went to the painter this morning.....paint maybe in a couple of weeks...??

If you do some of your own body work, be sure to take the tub out into the bright sunlight once in awhile....I couldn't believe the little nicks and sanding marks that came to life in the bright light!
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on October 11, 2013, 02:07:11 PM: The bottom of the tub, fenders and hood will get sprayed today, and the rest early next week!

It will be as close a match as I can get to Potomac Gray..

discussion and examples here:

http://www.cj3apage.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1381179610
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: athawk11 on October 14, 2013, 09:28:54 PM: Well? I'm hopping to see me some Potomac Willys!

Tim
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on October 14, 2013, 09:36:42 PM: Maybe tomorrow or Wednesday......I keep checking my phone but nothing yet!

Ya know, it may not look much different from the tub picture above!
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: athawk11 on October 14, 2013, 09:42:56 PM: Yeah, I know, but I'm still excited for you. Paint means reassembly. Reassembly means drivability. Drivability means fun. Fun for everyone that's been following your build. But more fun for you.

Tim
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on October 14, 2013, 09:52:20 PM: Yes Tim it's getting close....just about everything is ready to be assembled....I'll need to remember to take my time and enjoy the process, as it was a long time coming...

Here is the radiator date code...December of 1950 i guess..

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060724_zps52a8c183.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060724_zps52a8c183.jpg.html)

And the fuel tank mark...The PO told me the tank had been replaced in the 70's, but I think this is an OEM mark....it's good to know my photographic skills have not improved at all...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060725_zpsf0d01251.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060725_zpsf0d01251.jpg.html)

Ready for a little semi-gloss black..

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060732_zps88eae431.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060732_zps88eae431.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: Bob W on October 15, 2013, 06:44:46 AM: Quote
Here is the radiator date code...December of 1950 i guess

The letter L is November because the letter I is not used since it can be mistaken for the number 1.
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on October 15, 2013, 09:17:31 AM: Thanks Bob, I should have know that...they don't use "I" in aircraft registration numbers for the same reason...

At least it fits with the other codes I've found...

T/C is 12-06-50

Front Axle is 12-14-50

I found an 11-09 on the engine...is that November 49? Or maybe I'm looking at the wrong numbers.....

I left the brass tag unpainted..
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on October 15, 2013, 10:11:26 PM: It's painted...it looks good....I'll bring it home tomorrow or the next day and then more pictures...

This picture is with the flash...it's not that gray...
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: Ryan_M on October 16, 2013, 10:31:14 AM: Me like! Anxiously awaiting more pics....
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on October 16, 2013, 11:10:19 AM: Then and now...
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: athawk11 on October 16, 2013, 06:52:09 PM: Oh Boy... very nice.ï¿½ This is about to get really, really fun.ï¿½ 'Re-assembly'.ï¿½ I remember standing in the garage admiring every little addition I made.ï¿½ Time flew by, as items were bolted up, and on.ï¿½ It was hard to leave the garage.ï¿½ Next thing I knew, it had reached 0-dark-thirty.ï¿½ I just couldn't seem to stop.

I envy you.

Tim
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on October 16, 2013, 07:18:09 PM: I'm afraid the same thing may happen to me....8 months of preparation and the really fun part will be over in a few days....

I'll try and stretch it out...!

Randy
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: Bob W on October 16, 2013, 08:38:33 PM: Quote
Then and now..

Wow!ï¿½
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: Ryan_M on October 16, 2013, 10:10:34 PM: Quote
Oh Boy... very nice.ï¿½ This is about to get really, really fun.ï¿½ 'Re-assembly'.ï¿½ I remember standing in the garage admiring every little addition I made.ï¿½ Time flew by, as items were bolted up, and on.ï¿½ It was hard to leave the garage.ï¿½ Next thing I knew, it had reached 0-dark-thirty.ï¿½ I just couldn't seem to stop.

I envy you.

Tim

x2. Well said Tim. At this stage it's big progress with minimal effort as opposed to huge effort for seemingly small gains over the past many months. Wish I was there to help!!
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on October 17, 2013, 02:36:49 PM: I will holler when I need help!

Like, where do I start?
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: athawk11 on October 18, 2013, 10:19:15 AM: Quote
Like, where do I start?

Rhetorical? ;)

Tim
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on October 18, 2013, 10:29:08 AM: Started....!

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060788_zpsd9396be9.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060788_zpsd9396be9.jpg.html)

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060786_zps23899add.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060786_zps23899add.jpg.html)

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060785_zps604a7181.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060785_zps604a7181.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on October 18, 2013, 11:29:32 PM: Based on the drawing and specs in BobW's book, I made a block for the kick starter. It's 1/4" birch aircraft plywood..

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060796_zps0c1af846.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060796_zps0c1af846.jpg.html)

The wiring is installed and hooked up, and the dash is looking pretty complete. The oil pressure and temp gauges are still hooked to the engine...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060797_zpsd620e2a5.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060797_zpsd620e2a5.jpg.html)

I think it's time to set it on the frame...!
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on October 19, 2013, 05:23:17 PM: I've been working on the grill. I need to re-mount the radiator in order to drive the chassis over here, and I only want to mount it once...fat chance...

Anyway, I attached the welting...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060805_zps1ca18511.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060805_zps1ca18511.jpg.html)

I made my own "special tool"...I works well enough..

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060802_zps2cb0fc26.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060802_zps2cb0fc26.jpg.html)

The frustrating part is that where the grill is reinforced the rivets are to short!

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060800_zpsca993703.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060800_zpsca993703.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on October 19, 2013, 05:27:21 PM: But the welting looks good....before..I just noticed the color differences between the two pictures. One with flash and the garage door closed..the other with the door open..

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060798_zps3617427b.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060798_zps3617427b.jpg.html)

After...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060801_zps1800e4d6.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060801_zps1800e4d6.jpg.html)

And this picture shows those crazy brown headlight buckets. I painted them with gloss walnut brown rustoleum and then clear coated with Matte clear..It's a very close match to the inner bulb holders, which I left original..

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060803_zps772d4d95.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060803_zps772d4d95.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on October 19, 2013, 11:05:29 PM: This picture shows the brown headlight bucket better. The inner bulb holder still has the original paint..

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060806_zps8e2c0029.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060806_zps8e2c0029.jpg.html)

The harness is routed and fastened in place..

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060810_zpsf35dae05.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060810_zpsf35dae05.jpg.html)

And who doesn't like footman loops? I blackened the new zinc plated screws...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060812_zpsf121b90f.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060812_zpsf121b90f.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: athawk11 on October 20, 2013, 09:28:39 AM: It's looking terrific. Love the gray.

I'm going to have to make a tool like that. I managed without one, but that sure looks like it would make it easier.

Now admit it...hard to walk away...isn't it?

Tim
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on October 20, 2013, 11:28:17 AM: Quote
It's looking terrific.ï¿½ Love the gray.

I'm going to have to make a tool like that.ï¿½ I managed without one, but that sure looks like it would make it easier.ï¿½

Now admit it...hard to walk away...isn't it?

Tim

I want to work on it, I want to finish it, but I don't want it to be done...

But I take comfort in knowing that they never are quite "done"....
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: athawk11 on October 20, 2013, 06:01:28 PM: Quote

I want to work on it, I want to finish it, but I don't want it to be done...

But I take comfort in knowing that they never are quite "done"....

Well put.ï¿½ That's why I ended up with two more orphans.

Tim
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on October 20, 2013, 07:56:46 PM: More progress to report...

I added the radiator to the grill..

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060814_zpse2308474.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060814_zpse2308474.jpg.html)

And the shroud to the radiator... this becomes quite the sub-assembly..

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060817_zps50a5586e.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060817_zps50a5586e.jpg.html)

And the whole thing to the chassis..

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060823_zpscd7fe758.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060823_zpscd7fe758.jpg.html)

Makes a nice neat package!

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060827_zps79557f9e.jpg)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: Steve on October 21, 2013, 12:22:17 AM: Way cool! Having finally made it through all of your posts since joining the forum earlier this month, all I can say is wow. You have done a stellar job. This thread promises to be a great reference for my work. Thanks for doing it.
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on October 21, 2013, 10:46:34 AM: Thanks Steve...I hope it helps both in things to do and things not to do...

It took me a long time to get over the "just one more patch and I'm done" mindset...

Try and give your tub a thorough assessment of what needs to be done and develop a plan as to how you are going to do it.

Initially I was just going to do a few patches and have a driver....guess I got carried away :D
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on October 21, 2013, 08:20:40 PM: I brought the chassis over today....Ride along!..Just click on the picture....

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_Caseyslastride_zpsbb2a12e1.jpg) (http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/Caseyslastride_zpsbb2a12e1.mp4)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: F Bill on October 21, 2013, 10:05:55 PM: But Officer, I had a body when I left the house..honest.... I wonder where I lost it?

That is one of the longest bare chassis rides on public streets I have seen on video. I like how you get the tires to spin backwards. Someday...I'll be doing the same.
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on October 21, 2013, 10:59:45 PM: I'm not sure what I'd have done if I had gotten stopped....it's registered and insured, and the plates were on it...but I'm really bad at telling convincing lies....

I guess I could say that the body rusted off....true in a way....
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: SteveW on October 22, 2013, 07:22:35 AM: Nice, hard to believe not one dog chased you.
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: Ryan_M on October 22, 2013, 07:32:53 AM: That is the best ride-along video yet. Too funny. All that was missing was a police chase and a shoot-out.
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on October 22, 2013, 05:32:36 PM: Well, now I don't have to make excuses about there being no body....
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: athawk11 on October 22, 2013, 11:11:42 PM: The color scheme looks great!ï¿½ Very nice.ï¿½ I'm just amazed how great it looks, and how little time it took to look that good.

[smiley=thumbsup.gif]
:exclamation
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on October 22, 2013, 11:27:47 PM: Thanks Tim,

I'm really happy with the color....I think it'll look great once the seats are in and the windshield is on.. the seats may go in tomorrow..I want to drive it around some more....
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: F Bill on October 23, 2013, 08:37:42 AM: You're on the home stretch now. I see what you mean about it looking pretty lifted.. Drive it some more and add some more parts to it and it should settle down some. Hopefully the shackles are not tightened too much but even if they were they'd settle in eventually.

It really does look nice. You should be ready for another project in a few weeks..Want me to bring you one from Bill the Hoarder's house of fine used Willys and Other Rusty Objects?

Oh, and the answer to the question about is it too rusty to save. YES. but ya did it anyway and we are proud of ya! ;)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on October 23, 2013, 10:20:47 AM: Quote
Oh, and the answer to the question about is it too rusty to save. YES. but ya did it anyway and we are proud of ya!ï¿½

NOW you tell me!ï¿½

I couldn't have done it if not for this forum and all the information and encouragement from it's members..

THANKS!

But, this chicken ain't hatched yet, plenty of work to do....
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: SteveW on October 23, 2013, 08:05:56 PM: Boy they aren't twins but sure are close cousins.

(http://www.surfacezero.com/g503/data/500/medium/P10104571.JPG)

I muted my red a little bit from yours, and you are a little darker. Not knowing what you are getting into can only be used as an excuse on the first jeep, after that it's just an illness.
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on October 23, 2013, 11:02:15 PM: Boy they are close..had to make a double take...

I was going to matte clear the wheels...but I didn't.....

It might just be the light...mine looks a lot lighter in direct sunlight.
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on October 24, 2013, 10:23:34 PM: You know I like my before and after photos...

Before today, I only sat in this jeep once..

Then, and now...
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on October 24, 2013, 10:26:29 PM: And I like this one..
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on October 24, 2013, 10:31:17 PM: And..
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on October 24, 2013, 10:33:00 PM: I been waiting for this to upload...click on the picture for video

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_walkaround10-24-13-2_zps81527a4c.jpg) (http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/walkaround10-24-13-2_zps81527a4c.mp4)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on October 24, 2013, 11:07:44 PM: "Recalled to life"....click the picture...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_firstdrivealmost10-24-13_zps8d67aadf.jpg) (http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/firstdrivealmost10-24-13_zps8d67aadf.mp4)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: SteveW on October 25, 2013, 07:16:17 AM: Very Nice.What is the red knob/light? on right of dash?
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on October 25, 2013, 10:16:24 AM: There was a cigar lighter socket there when I bought the jeep, but the lighter itself was missing....I found this one on ebay...it's 6v and it works...but this is a no smoking jeep...it's not hooked up...
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: macrisel on October 25, 2013, 12:42:42 PM: Whoa!!! Slow down! You're going to rush right through the fun of re-assembling the jeep! A week after you get it together, you'll be taking a part off just to fix something! ;)

Looking great!
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: SteveW on October 25, 2013, 04:35:17 PM: O.k. that makes sense. it looked too big for a high beam indicator. Nothing wrong with a way to start a fire if you need to.
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on October 25, 2013, 09:01:56 PM: Quote
Whoa!!!ï¿½ Slow down!ï¿½ You're going to rush right through the fun of re-assembling the jeep!ï¿½ A week after you get it together, you'll be taking a part off just to fix something! ;)

Looking great!

You know, it's just sitting there, and nearly all the parts are in boxes. I go into the garage with good intentions, like spending an hour or two putting this or that together. I went out at ten this morning....the two hours turned into about six hours....
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on October 25, 2013, 09:19:10 PM: Today I started by installing the remaining body mount bolts and making sure everything was tight, and since I was under the jeep already, with the tools scattered around me, I put the last two exhaust hangers on.

Then it was time for something fun..

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060879_zps41ec5489.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060879_zps41ec5489.jpg.html)

It's a flatfender again!

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060881_zps8a98da16.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060881_zps8a98da16.jpg.html)

And then there were two..

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060882_zps6ca372b0.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060882_zps6ca372b0.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on October 25, 2013, 09:20:13 PM: And by the end of the day...
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on October 26, 2013, 08:19:30 PM: I've been around the block so many times that the neighbors don't even bother looking any more....

So I ventured out to the park..14 trouble free miles so far.

Having said that, I did have to change out the voltage regulator. I had one that I bought for the CJ-5 and never installed. So now I'm charging. The fuel gauge is intermittent. Bad ground probably. The horn works, and the parking lights don't...bad ground again most likely....
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: zooke581 on October 26, 2013, 08:27:25 PM: That's one fine lookin' Jeep. You should be proud.
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on October 26, 2013, 09:05:42 PM: Thanks Zooke...

I am really really pleased, and it's fun to drive to boot!

Who'd a thought this thread would lead to this.....
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: Ryan_M on October 27, 2013, 12:25:11 AM: That does it. I'm painting my wheels red this winter.
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: bretto on October 27, 2013, 09:06:14 AM: Looks fantastic. Good job, it's a joy to get it out and get the air flowing around ya isn't it?
I had to rewind because I knew you have been going at this project at sonic speed but now that I see the date on the start of this thread, I think you have set a record for one of the fastest restores on here. If I count right, you are just a tad over 8 months right now. I am sure there is more to do but you are hauling *rear end. It sure does keep this thread moving to. You will have to stretch the truth to the normal folk. If you tell them it took you less than a year for a restore, they may think it's too easy.
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on October 28, 2013, 01:49:39 PM: I was rooting around under the dash, with the battery hooked up, trying to figure out why the fuel gauge is intermittent....

And I found a hot wire....

I had re-used the old dash light wire and socket, because it "looked pretty good"...well, the insulation was nearly gone right where the wire exited the socket...dead short with the light switch on...

I had also re-used the parking light wires because I hadn't figured out how to replace the old wire with the new...

They were pretty much in the same condition, ready to short out....

The top stub wire is the one that came out of the socket...once again, worn through where it exited the socket

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060919_zps277d599a.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060919_zps277d599a.jpg.html)

But now it's as good as new. A brass eyelet and some solder...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1060922_zps47eb96fa.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1060922_zps47eb96fa.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on October 28, 2013, 01:55:14 PM: So, I've been putting this off...

The air cleaner was pretty dirty as you can imagine...

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But it's clean now....part of me wants to install it just like this...and I might for awhile, since it's cold and raining in my paint booth....

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Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on October 28, 2013, 07:43:20 PM: It looks like a central vacuum or something....I better paint it...

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I added some welting to the hood blocks....

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The spare tire hanger is on..

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Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on October 28, 2013, 07:47:23 PM: Quote
That does it.ï¿½ I'm painting my wheels red this winter.

I really like the red wheels. They add just enough color..

I used Rustoleum Regal Red # 7765...about four cans for the wheels...and then I let them bake in the sun for about a week. The paint survived the tire mounting surprisingly well...
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: Ryan_M on October 29, 2013, 03:48:14 PM: Quote
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That does it.ï¿½ I'm painting my wheels red this winter.

I really like the red wheels. They add just enough color..

I used Rustoleum Regal Red # 7765...about four cans for the wheels...and then I let them bake in the sun for about a week. The paint survived the tire mounting surprisingly well...

Did you just chose Regal Red because it looks good or does it actually match the original red used on the wheels? There was a "Sunrise Red" on the shelf next to Regal Red and I wonder if that would be a closer match. I know you did a ton of research on Potomac Gray so I'm curious if you did the same with the red.
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: SteveW on October 29, 2013, 04:01:40 PM: The color for Potomac and Pickett Gray was Harvard Red. I did research as best I could and used Dupont Centuri(sp) I used a flattener or it would have been brighter. Not sure how much but am guessing at least 25%
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on October 29, 2013, 07:10:26 PM: Quote
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That does it.ï¿½ I'm painting my wheels red this winter.

I really like the red wheels. They add just enough color..

I used Rustoleum Regal Red # 7765...about four cans for the wheels...and then I let them bake in the sun for about a week. The paint survived the tire mounting surprisingly well...

Did you just chose Regal Red because it looks good or does it actually match the original red used on the wheels? There was a "Sunrise Red" on the shelf next to Regal Red and I wonder if that would be a closer match. I know you did a ton of research on Potomac Gray so I'm curious if you did the same with the red.

I tried Sunrise Red, my wife said that it looked like lipstick....

I tried VanSickle tractor paint, and of course that just looked like the old IH model H that we had..

I tried Red Pepper/Safety red and it just didn't look right.

I wanted just a red....plain old red, no sunsets, safety or lipstick....and the Regal seemed to fit the bill.

My CJ-5 was originally President Red, and the Sunrise Red is a pretty good match.

This jeep originally had the beige-tan almost almond wheels, with Luzon Red as a body color. So i had no example of the original wheel red....

So yes...I picked it because I liked it :D
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on October 29, 2013, 07:24:54 PM: I can't resist...
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: SteveW on October 29, 2013, 08:11:33 PM: Awww, you took all the character out of it. ;)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: Ryan_M on October 29, 2013, 08:34:07 PM: Quote
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I tried Sunrise Red, my wife said that it looked like lipstick....

I tried VanSickle tractor paint, and of course that just looked like the old IH model H that we had..

I tried Red Pepper/Safety red and it just didn't look right.

I wanted just a red....plain old red, no sunsets, safety or lipstick....and the Regal seemed to fit the bill.

My CJ-5 was originally President Red, and the Sunrise Red is a pretty good match.

This jeep originally had the beige-tan almost almond wheels, with Luzon Red as a body color. So i had no example of the original wheel red....

So yes...I picked it because I liked it :D

LOL...I knew there was a story behind it. Regal Red it is.

And that buggy of yours looks better with every picture.
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: Ryan_M on October 29, 2013, 08:38:16 PM: ...and I'll mention that on one of these forums someone suggested flipping that windshield strap up under the hood when not in use. It keeps the buckle from chewing into the grill paint. You might want to start that practice with yours before you rack up too many miles with a flapping strap!
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on October 29, 2013, 09:15:27 PM: Quote
...and I'll mention that on one of these forums someone suggested flipping that windshield strap up under the hood when not in use. It keeps the buckle from chewing into the grill paint. You might want to start that practice with yours before you rack up too many miles with a flapping strap!

Thanks for the reminder...and there is that little indent in the grill almost as if they expected you to do just that.....I have noticed it in pictures, but can't seem to put it into practice....

Tonight I'm wrestling with the windshield gasket.....and it's winning...
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: Ryan_M on October 29, 2013, 09:20:50 PM: Some of the new "3A" windshield gaskets being sold do not fit 3A's. Mine didn't and I know at least one other person who had the same problem.

I wrestled with it for hours before giving up and bringing everything to a glass shop. They couldn't do it either. We ended up re-using the old one.
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on October 29, 2013, 09:48:10 PM: My old one came out in little chunks...it was as hard as a rock...

I hope this one works, I got it from Walck's...it is just one long strip that needs to be cut to length...

I think I'll try a glass shop tomorrow...
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: Ryan_M on October 29, 2013, 10:05:45 PM: Sounds like you may have the same one I did but mine came from Kaiser Willys (I think). Let us know what happens.
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on October 29, 2013, 10:09:44 PM: The package is labeled as a "Newstar" S-20932....replacement for 978995...

I'll let you know how it turns out...
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: F Bill on October 29, 2013, 10:13:48 PM: Glass shop used a universal fit one for my one off DJ windshield, which is based on a 3A design. If all else fails they can do that for you.. It comes by the roll and is used for heavy equipment, truck and bus and utility body windows.
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on October 29, 2013, 10:39:28 PM: Thanks Bill, I was hoping there might be something like that available if this gasket doesn't fit....
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on October 30, 2013, 07:05:41 PM: I'm sure swimming the Channel is tough.

And climbing Everest has it's challenges..

But these tasks pale in comparison to putting a windshield in a CJ-3a....

Now that's an accomplishment!

I actually put the weatherstrip on the frame first...putting it on the glass first was not successful...

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The Lisle 47000 from Amazon worked perfectly..

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This took me nearly six hours, and I had help from my wife and sister-in-law for part of that time...

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Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: bretto on October 31, 2013, 07:14:46 AM: Took me about that same time to do mine to. You wouldn't think it though. What a bugger.
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on November 04, 2013, 09:19:47 PM: Done? Did someone say it's "done"?

I added the rear tank strap

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And drilled a hole for the driver seat bolt through the wheelhouse

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and installed the wiper motor..

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And plumbing

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Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on November 04, 2013, 09:24:57 PM: I leak checked the heater core..I filled it with water, corked the tubes and heated it with a heat gun..no leaks noted...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1070022_zps8b4aa3d3.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1070022_zps8b4aa3d3.jpg.html)

Genuine "Chaff"

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And tailgate chains...there appears to be a left and a right chain/hook, and they are not interchangeable. The tailgate chain section in the Techs and Tips on the Home page shows how to hook the chains to the tailgate..they only go one way...

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Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on November 07, 2013, 11:05:57 PM: I finally got the heater cleaned up, painted and installed.

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1070033_zpsa51a3126.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1070033_zpsa51a3126.jpg.html)

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1070034_zpsabe7a84e.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1070034_zpsabe7a84e.jpg.html)

It wasn't as bad as i expected, because I expected it to be a real bear.

I found that if I put the top of the heater under the dash first, and then reached under the heater and gently flexed the feed pipes towards the heater it slipped right in...

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s519/green55jeep/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/th_P1070036_zps172b9302.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/green55jeep/media/51%20cj-3a%20rust%20pictures/P1070036_zps172b9302.jpg.html)

Now what did I do with that "Willys" sticker?
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: athawk11 on November 08, 2013, 10:46:43 AM: I remember that fight. Mine did not go quietly into the night. I believe there were a few curse words and some touch up paint required.

Tim
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on November 08, 2013, 01:49:26 PM: Well, it didn't go in the first few times I tried it....I muttered a couple incantations myself.....I had a layer of thin bubble wrap around it and that helped ...

Tried it this morning, it puts out more heat than you would expect....
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on November 21, 2013, 07:33:29 PM: Just a few finishing touches....

My cousin has a Potomac Gray '51 3a that his dad bought in '52. He verified that the raised lettering was the same red color as the wheels..the 4 wheel drive lettering is gone but it must have been the same...

Unfortunately he is not nearby..the last picture shows his jeep(the C-180 belongs to a neighbor) ...it would be fun to get the two jeeps together....
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: Ryan_M on November 21, 2013, 08:27:32 PM: Wow. Great job with the lettering. Did you end up rolling it on?
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on November 21, 2013, 09:09:51 PM: I did roll it on, but there was some clean-up needed. I think a roller with the right nap or maybe a firm foam roller or ink roller would work better. It's real tough to judge the amount of pressure to apply to get the paint where you want it, without getting it where you don't want it.

The edges are not perfect....

The 4 Wheel Drive stencil was spray painted...but a roller would have worked as well or maybe better....

I used a thin plywood frame to help guide the roller...
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: Tumbleweed on November 21, 2013, 09:51:20 PM: Really looks great. I always wondered how the raised lettering was done so good. Was the paint you used a lacquer or enamel?
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on November 22, 2013, 11:06:59 AM: I used enamel, same as the wheels. Just rustoleum Regal Red...

The more I think about it, the more I think an ink (brayer) roller with no wooden frame and a little tape around the area would have worked better.

I spent some time with q-tips and denatured alcohol cleaning up so it's not a perfect method.

I wonder what the factory did? I can't imagine that they would spend the time taping or even using an adhesive mask, and I bet they rolled it as they probably would not take the time to mask off the rest of the tailgate/hood so it could be sprayed....
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: F Bill on November 22, 2013, 11:47:50 AM: Did the factory actually paint all the raised lettering or did they leave that up to the final owner or a dealer trying to spiff up the new jeeps? I was under the impression the hood and windshield (2A) WILLYSï¿½ left the factory body color, but I could be very wrong.

Your jeep is looking fantastic!
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on November 22, 2013, 12:02:04 PM: Thanks Bill!

That is always an option. I too wondered if it was a dealer/owner add-on. It just seems a little too labor and time consuming to be offered by the factory..

It's another one of those some have it some don't deals...

Maybe part of an exterior trim package? ;)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: garage gnome on November 22, 2013, 12:50:53 PM: It's coming along Randy!!!
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: Kirkski on November 22, 2013, 03:39:20 PM: This thread and build was fantastic, like others have said very inspirational. Nice work
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on November 23, 2013, 12:09:31 PM: Thanks Kirkski..

I found inspiration in this forum and it's members...you can do the same....

Keep us updated on your progress!
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: Kirkski on November 23, 2013, 09:16:24 PM: Quote
I found inspiration in this forum and it's members...you can do the same....

Keep us updated on your progress!

Thank you, I was so inspired by reading your thread, I got whipped up into a lather and I ran right out to the garage and busted my manifold bold. Gotta slow down the adrenaline after reading this stuffï¿½ lol
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on November 26, 2013, 04:18:21 PM: I wasn't going to put the old aluminum top back on...but I did....

Did anyone offer or has anyone seen/made half doors?
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: garage gnome on November 26, 2013, 06:35:06 PM: Looks great Randy!

I've never heard of half doors. You may have to make your own.
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on November 26, 2013, 06:43:21 PM: Thanks Nate!

I have the full doors, but to mount them there is that fairing that needs to bolt on and it really restricts entry/exit ease...

Maybe I'll just wear a thicker pair of socks!
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: athawk11 on November 26, 2013, 07:35:20 PM: I'm not a huge fan of aluminum tops, but I must say, that one looks great on your Willys!! 8-)

Did you have to drill mounting holes? Did you cringe?

Tim
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on November 26, 2013, 08:43:21 PM: Thanks Tim...

No new holes....all the windshield holes were still there, along with the holes in the top of the wheelhouses. There are supposed to be holes in the side just aft of the door openings. They are no longer there. I used double sided foam tape everywhere the top contacts the body, and on those side portions I took the backing off the tape and stuck it to both the top and the side of the jeep.

I was afraid that it would rattle but for now it's pretty quiet...
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: Ryan_M on November 26, 2013, 08:58:11 PM: That looks great. Mine originally came to me with half a half cab so unfortunately I was never able to install it. Now I know what it would look like if I did (and painted the wheels redï¿½ ;) )
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: SteveW on November 26, 2013, 10:17:06 PM: We call those tops Easy Bake oven's down here.
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on November 26, 2013, 10:35:17 PM: Quote
We call those tops Easy Bake oven's down here.

I don't doubt that!

But today at about 40 degrees outside the top made a difference...

I'm looking forward to some windshield-down driving so it will come off as soon as it starts to warm up...
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: Tumbleweed on November 27, 2013, 11:52:28 AM: Randy,

I saw where you were looking for stickers for your Harrison heater. I have a file from Vern that I am attaching and I hope that you can use it.

http://www.vernco.com/Heater/id595.htm

George
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on November 27, 2013, 12:07:13 PM: Thanks George, I appreciate the link...

I had a sticker that I bought from the fellow on ebay...then I put it somewhere so I wouldn't loose it...but of course when I needed it I couldn't remember where I had put it.....

But I eventually found it..

But I think a stencil made from the Vernco site with a little paint would look better..

Randy
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on November 27, 2013, 10:27:56 PM: Here is another nearly useless accessory.....I can't even get the dog to ride with me so I'm not sure why I needed a rear seat....

But, when I saw that MDjuan was making "correct" 3a rear seats, I had to give it a try. I'm sure it will look a little better without the top, and with a little upholstery...Fit is good, the seat is a little twisted..I've been trying to twist it straight...you can see the foot prints..!

I used the old clips as a pattern to cut the holes...a Dremel with a cut-off wheel did the trick, and a little filing....
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: F Bill on November 28, 2013, 09:53:03 AM: I can see why the dog might not want to ride with the half cab there...it does look a bit tight. What kind of puppydog are we trying to get to ride with us that doesn't want to go for a ride?

Seat looks good, I'm pretty sure the original holes were oval instead of rectangles. Does the seat seem built pretty stout like an original?
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on November 28, 2013, 11:13:33 AM: Hi Bill, the seat seems sturdy enough. I expect the originals were made of thicker material. Shipping weight was 35 lbs, and it was a big box with lots of packing...maybe 5 lbs worth of cardboard?

I think the weak spot will be the front legs where they were flattened and bent over to slide into the indented part of the bed. I'm thinking I'll re-enforce that area before it breaks..

The holes in my old bed were rectangular, there is no way to know if they were factory ...but oval would allow the leg to fit fully against the roller-clip..

The dog is a Shiba-inu...he loves to go in the landcruiser...the jeep will take a little getting used to....
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on November 28, 2013, 02:42:23 PM: I re-enforced the legs, and managed to "adjust" the frame with a dead-blow and now it sits flat without rocking...now to strip that paint off before it flakes off on it's own....
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: SteveW on November 28, 2013, 06:17:33 PM: That ought to fix it.
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on November 29, 2013, 11:04:43 AM: Quote
That ought to fix it.

Well, if it doesn't, we'll always think that it shoulda..!
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on November 30, 2013, 07:57:13 PM: More "adjustments" to make the repro seat fit better. The rear legs do not sit at 90 degrees to the bed, so I had to grind away part of the leg to get them to seat firmly into the floor mounted latch....To get a really good fit the legs need to be bent..I had enough trouble getting all four legs to touch the floor at the same time, so I think it'll just stay as-is...
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on November 30, 2013, 08:17:18 PM: I found replacement blades for the hand operated windshield wiper on ebay. They are a perfect fit and the rivet is included...and you get two, so now I have one for the CJ-5..

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Military-Jeep-MB-GPW-NOS-Hand-Wiper-Blade-Set-/181110061952?pt=Vintage_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2a2b003b80&vxp=mtr

I don't really expect anyone to use this wiper, but it is a favorite thing for passengers to fiddle with...so the new blade will protect the windshield more than anything...
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: F Bill on November 30, 2013, 10:09:39 PM: I think the ebay seller is Brent Mullins. He's a well known G503 guy in southern TX.
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on November 30, 2013, 10:21:38 PM: Quote
I think the ebay seller is Brent Mullins. He's a well known G503 guy in southern TX.

Yes that is right...I've bought a few things both through ebay and his web site. Great service and the parts are always top-notch.
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: Ryan_M on December 01, 2013, 11:27:04 AM: If my passenger wiper is left in the same position as your pic, it rubs the hood paint when the windshield is folded down. I have to flip the wiper outward all the way right to keep it from scraping. I do have that goofy screwed up hood so it may be a problem you don't have. Just something to watch for.
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: garage gnome on December 01, 2013, 05:35:39 PM: Quote
I found replacement blades for the hand operated windshield wiper on ebay. They are a perfect fit and the rivet is included...and you get two, so now I have one for the CJ-5..

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Military-Jeep-MB-GPW-NOS-Hand-Wiper-Blade-Set-/181110061952?pt=Vintage_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2a2b003b80&vxp=mtr

I don't really expect anyone to use this wiper, but it is a favorite thing for passengers to fiddle with...so the new blade will protect the windshield more than anything...

I use the passenger wiper in my '49 a lot when it is raining. It works better than the vacuum one!
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on February 07, 2014, 09:34:45 PM: Had an opportunity for a family photo.....it's weird that the CJ-5 looks so big...
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: athawk11 on February 07, 2014, 11:26:44 PM: Great photo! 8-)

Tim
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: garage gnome on February 08, 2014, 07:26:15 AM: Nice Randy! Why does you license plate stick way up?
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on February 08, 2014, 10:29:43 AM: Quote
Nice Randy! Why does you license plate stick way up?

That is the bracket that was on it...I think it could be an original style bracket that was bent so it could be mounted like that...I think the original brackets mounted flat against the face of the bumper.....
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on April 29, 2014, 06:20:09 PM: The time has finally come to get rid of the old rusty panels and patches....so they are off to the recycle yard tomorrow....I hate to get rid of original factory parts, but......
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: Ryan_M on April 30, 2014, 06:33:55 AM: If your luck is anything like me you'll discover a perfect use for one of those pieces within a day or two of getting rid of them. ;D
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on May 01, 2014, 02:46:01 PM: I went through the pile once more...I saved this....
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: athawk11 on May 01, 2014, 07:31:02 PM: Funny, I had a hard time parting with all the old stuff too.ï¿½ Also funny... that is the exact same piece I salvaged from my pile of rusty metal before it was recycled.ï¿½ You can see it leaning against the floor pans at the rear of this photo...

(http://i1195.photobucket.com/albums/aa397/athawk11/20120229018_zps35e18e6a.jpg)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on May 01, 2014, 08:23:37 PM: Well isn't that something..Looks like yours still has the vent hole...

I have a little remorse, but not much....
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on August 02, 2014, 01:07:09 PM: It's time for a fluid change party!

500 miles.....I can finally get that break-in oil changed out....
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on September 30, 2014, 07:14:13 PM: So I finally got it off road...but not far....

Lots of fun though...I think this is what you visualize and what keeps you going when you are knee deep in rusty metal..

https://youtu.be/tai8YFOaLvY

I just added this 9/2024, as the photobucket videos were no longer linked....
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: Ryan_M on September 30, 2014, 08:14:32 PM: HAHA!! I love the Les Stroud "Survivorman" style production of the second video. Hopefully you scratched the paint at least once on this outing. The world is a much better place after you get that inevitable horror over with.
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: Bob W on September 30, 2014, 08:19:36 PM: Cool!!!
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on September 30, 2014, 08:30:58 PM: No scratches, but..OMG :D

I cut the part of me running back to the jeep.."survivor man" would not have come to mind if you had seen that!
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on October 17, 2014, 04:02:56 PM: Last spring I bought a top frame from Walck's when they had a sale....

And then the nice UPS person stopped by and brought a big box from Beachwood Canvas....

No doors yet though....
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: Kirkski on October 18, 2014, 10:14:42 PM: Looks sweet, loved the videos thanks for sharing!
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: Ryan_M on October 19, 2014, 01:32:02 PM: Looks very sharp. Any initial feeling on how easy this top will be to take off an put back on? Is it something that can be done easily in a few minutes or will it pretty much stay installed indefinitely?

I've heard that canvas tops, once they get wet, shrink to the point where it's a real battle putting them on after awhile.
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: RedWilly on October 20, 2014, 10:56:36 AM: I have the same top on mine, it goes on and off in about 15 minutes. The bows and top go on quickly. It takes time to fasten all the individual retainers and add the rod from curve of the body to the bows. This rod has to be remove and installed each time you add or remove the side curtain. Once the canvas dries out it goes back on with out to much difficulty. I try to leave mine on until dry. I did remove while wet on the Fall Colors Tour and had no problem putting it back on the next morning.
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: athawk11 on October 22, 2014, 02:26:43 PM: That top looks awesome!!

Tim
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: Oilleaker1 on October 22, 2014, 05:19:44 PM: Grey on a Jeep looks awesome. Maroon wheels really makes them pop. Nice looking Jeep! John
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on October 23, 2014, 09:16:38 PM: Quote
I have the same top on mine, it goes on and off in about 15 minutes. The bows and top go on quickly. It takes time to fasten all the individual retainers and add the rod from curve of the body to the bows. This rod has to be remove and installed each time you add or remove the side curtain. Once the canvas dries out it goes back on with out to much difficulty. I try to leave mine on until dry. I did remove while wet on the Fall Colors Tour and had no problem putting it back on the next morning.

Yes, I agree...about 15 minutes to remove or install.

The first time, even with cutting the holes for the side curtain snaps only took a little over an hour.

I was happily surprised that the top frame(from Walck's) fit so well after all that this jeep has been through..and the canvas top fit just as well...
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on October 23, 2014, 09:18:37 PM: Quote
Grey on a Jeep looks awesome. Maroon wheels really makes them pop. Nice looking Jeep! John

Thanks John,

I'm thinking the red wheels need to go back on, just to give it a little pizzazz...
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on February 12, 2015, 06:48:35 PM: I finally got around to swapping the wheels back. It's kind of a project with only one floor jack and some jack stands, but at least I have a pneumatic rattle gun....

So here it is, two years and a week since I bought it...the only thing left is the rear PTO gearbox and the jury is still out on whether or not it gets installed....
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: garage gnome on February 12, 2015, 07:31:14 PM: The red looks sharp!
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: Ryan_M on February 12, 2015, 09:54:18 PM: Looks great Randy. You have proven, beyond a doubt, that it was not "too rusty to save" after all. Outstanding work.
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: JeepFever on February 13, 2015, 12:04:54 AM: .
Wow . . looks great . . .a definate inspiration for others of us with flatfenders "too rusty to save"
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: Quebec Jeep on September 15, 2015, 09:02:02 AM: Randy, May I ask you a favor?

Can you write a wrap up in the FAQ Body and trim section of the forum about all what you learn while working on your tub?

Something basic like a do and don't list, needed tools list....
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on September 15, 2015, 06:30:11 PM: I will give it a try...it may not happen right away!

My first advice?

Do buy a jeep..

Don't buy a rusty one! ;D
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: Kirkski on September 19, 2015, 06:18:19 PM: Randy, I reviewed your build again, I was looking for specifics on your priming. Did you use a rattle can? And either way what brand did you use?

Thanks Kirk
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on September 19, 2015, 08:53:20 PM: Kirk,

I used that aerosol two-part epoxy primer that Eastwood sells first on the bare metal..

Expensive and I'm not sure if it was worth it...

But, It's held up so far.

After the all-metal filler I used U-Pol High #5 high build primer on the exterior surfaces..

Also expensive...

On the floors inside I used Dupli-color primer and brushed it on with a foam brush if I remember right...it covered real well and also has held up well..

And when I took it to the painter I think he gave it another dose of primer/sealer....

If you have a place to spray, even if it's in the driveway, you might do better with a spray gun from Harbor Freight and some high-fill two part primer....especially if you are doing just the parts like the fenders etc...the tub might require a pretty good capacity compressor but you could easily do the primer in sections...

I bought a full-face 3-M respirator..those two part paints/primers are very toxic..
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: toolman_ar on September 19, 2015, 11:12:49 PM: I would like to thank you for saving an old crusty tub, and showing people what can be completed. Even if you started out as a nob, with little sheet metal experience.

Great job!!

toolman_ar
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on September 20, 2015, 10:27:53 PM: Quote
I would like to thank you for saving an old crusty tub, and showing people what can be completed. Even if you started out as a nob, with little sheet metal experience.

Great job!!

toolman_ar

Thanks for that!

I had no sheet metal, welding. or painting experience....now I have a little...maybe enough to approach things differently next time!
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on July 03, 2017, 08:25:18 PM: Not really intending to revive this old thread, but there is a possibility that Photobucket will stop hosting the photos that I posted....

I still have the originals on my computer though...
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: athawk11 on July 04, 2017, 09:40:53 AM: Looks like most are still working for you. Mine are all gone on every post and thread. Pretty disappointed about it. I'm not sure it's worth recreating with non Photobucket links. As you know, that would be a lot of work.
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: RICKG on July 04, 2017, 10:56:51 AM: This sucks guys! And to have your avatar replaced by their logo is a slap in the face..
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on February 04, 2023, 11:17:18 AM: Quote from: 1955CJ-5 on February 04, 2013, 11:14:59 PM
It was suggested that I start a thread to get some opinions on whether I should buy a truckload of repair panels or a replacement tub....Now I've read several threads on the tubs and realize they too require lots of work. The trouble with the repair panels is that I have little welding experience, and no welder...I'm willing to learn..but first some pictures..

Realize that what you are looking at on the floors is the first replacement panel that has rusted through. In the case of the drivers side there are three layers of floor...The tool box is welded over as is the riser and the area behind the seats....Frame has no rust through and appears solid.

I've been told that photobucket will noï¿½ longer host third party pictures...and that may mean those posted in this thread..so if you see no pictures that is why....updated 7/3/2017

It's been ten years since I started this thread......hard to believe!!

I still drive the 3a, and it still looks good and drives just like a jeep.....nothing has failed or cracked or fallen off....but I don't attempt crossing the Rubicon Trail or anything like that....just a few dirt roads here and there.

A friend has a 14 year old son and he wants to learn to drive a stick, so we've been driving around empty parking lots learning to shift....:)
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: Rus Curtis on February 04, 2023, 07:56:19 PM: I know the feeling about long drawn out projects!

Your time on it shows! Nice work!
Title: Re: Too rusty to save?
Post by: 1955CJ-5 on September 11, 2024, 01:33:08 PM: I'm still at it......guess they are never "done" :)

Installed the governor and rear PTO gearbox.

Found a belt drive.

And I found a M38 seat bottom, NOS, springs, bottom plate and all. What a difference!

Who knows what comes next...