My Willys 3A and 3B Community
Your Projects => Your CJ-3A Project => Your Modified 3A Project => Topic started by: F Bill on March 07, 2011, 07:41:18 PM
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Here's a jeep I have owned for several years.. I bought it from a guy who was in the process of reversing the Pinto engine transplant...I got it running two summers ago, and found out the transmission howled worse than a beagle after a woodchuck.. I finally dragged it in the shop today, time for some TLC... and a little hammer therapy too. Got �a good used tranny/ tc to install, need to mount the engine a little different and maybe modify some driveshafts, and the usual brake and wiring redo. The Pinto2.0liter OHC engine runs great and I will keep it altho the swap was never completely finished....They didn't remount the tranny crossmember and had to cut the firewall to clear the valve cover...
(http://inlinethumb36.webshots.com/12003/2793037990037238516S500x500Q85.jpg) (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2793037990037238516FSqtiQ)
That's its trip into the shop.....It is a driver, not a show jeep...someone did a good job reskinnning the whole tub, seats are from some 70's compact car, and the tailgate is homebuilt.. It was sprayed Krylon ALmond �and semigloss black back three years ago to keep the neighbors happy, I usually do that to all my junk jeeps so they don't look quite so sad...
I'm looking for a pinto throttle setup, pedal to carb, and a set of 11 inch brakes if anyone has any setting around...
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Interesting Project. Any pictures under the hood?
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here's a video of it runnimg...Sounds awful but in real life it purrs..
Here is a still shot.(http://inlinethumb19.webshots.com/44498/2881085110037238516S425x425Q85.jpg) (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2881085110037238516qVDWfl)
I also need a good 3A windshield glass if anyone has a spare...it has Lexan in it now. (I'll probably have to go to a glass shop but it doesn't hurt to ask...
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Wow thats alot of room between the front of the radiator and the engine. Whats involved with mating up the Ford bellhousing to the T 90? Or can you adapt the original bellhousing to the new block? :-?
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IIRC there is an adapter plate in there...but it has been almost a year since I looked. THe motor mounts will line up pretty well if I move the engine forward about three inches. Novak adapters still has a decent section on the Pinto motor conversions.. I ran pinto wagons all thru college and a few years afterwards, so I am pretty familiar with the engines..They were a great little powerhouse and took a lot of abuse..
http://www.novak-adapt.com/knowledge/pinto.htm
that's The Novak site with lots of info.
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Thats a pretty detailed article on the Novak site. Looks like they have everything covered. I was just reading a very interesting thread you had started on the 2A site about sheetmetal forming. http://www.thecj2apage.com/forums/how-to-make-tool-indentsmetalshapers-how-to_topic17398.html
Brians shop is about a mile from my house and I'm planning to take my 3A over to him this spring to see if the tub is worth saving. He worked on a 2A for a friend of mine and it looked great. I would have liked to meet Bob W when he was in town.
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Wow, I didn't realize you were so close! I always like to stop by and visit with other Willys owners.
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Did they have to modify the firewall to fit the engine, Ive been reading a few swap threads and some did some didn't
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Did they have to modify the firewall to fit the engine, Ive been reading a few swap threads and some did some didn't
I have no firewall from the tranny cutout to the hood hinge area.. Big time cutting.I can see the back of th eengine from teh drivers seat, as well as a lot of bellhousing. HOWEVER that is not the way to do it. You can install the engine with no cutting if you move it forward by relocating the tranny crossmember forward. Driveshafts may need modding to different lengths but things will fit a LOT better. Electric fan is pretty much a must, as the water pump doesn't line up too well with the radiator.
The NOVAK way is best from what I have seen.
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Thanks Bill, been waiting to see this one....on my next trip back to TX, I'll definitely swing by to see the herd in person.
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I dont plan on cutting my firewall I will get rid of the shroud in front of the radiator before that happens. Cant wait to get started. Im waiting on a c4 bellhousing i found so i can bolt everything together for measurements.
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Ok, FOund out no more pics on WEbshots so I will try to download a picture here.. Lets see if this works..
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Here's another....Check out the engine access from inside. Someone was asking about the seats I used...here is the best shot of them I have...Does anyone recognise what they are from?? They are sitting on 3A seat frames with the back of the frame cut off. Might be from early Bronco....or not.
These pics were taken a couple of years ago. The jeep is now at my house in a safer place than the old shop, with a lot of jeep parts stacked all over it. It patiently awaits as I drive all over the country making a living. barely.
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Well, I actually did something today for the Pintojeep. Lately there hasn't been much oversize work so I get to sit around home and think up things to do. Today I thought, hey, check out your new overdrive, dummy!
� � � � �So, I decided to take apart the overdrive equipped tranny someone had told me about when I was near Phoenix a while back. I bought it for a great price and had hoped it would be good enough to put in one of my jeeps, but since I dragged it home I never had time to do a proper inspection. At least it was installed in a large shaft(1.25inch) Transfer case, so I didn't have to worry about getting the right tooth count for my jeep, if the TC was any good.
� I have never had the pleasure of doing much tranny work on my jeeps, I lucked out on my first few in that they seemed to work fine and didn't need anything done other than topping up the lube. However, Pintojeep has a waterlogged and rusty tranny that shifts hard, howls like a wolf pack at midnight, and to top it off, it has to come out and be relocated along with the engine about 3 inches forward of where it is now. I want to be able to go on one of the Colorado Trail rides someday so Pintojeep is just going to have to get fixed!
� � � � So, first step....read everything I could online about removing an overdrive. Guess who has the best removal instructions? WE DO!!! I read it a few times, even stopped mid job to check it again. I shoulda printed it out...rrrgh.
� � �I might post up some pics later of the process, but it was pretty much exactly like everyone has said. Interesting that one online guide says never to pry it out but Herm the OD guy says to carefully pry it out with two screwdrivers..I decided to follow his advice and it pulled out slick as can be. Now the first problem, which I think is just me looking at something incorrectly. The forward end of the center shaft that the center planetary gear is on, is scored badly and looked worn. However, I think it is just the way it is made, and it doesn't actually fit into anything. It isn't a bearing surface at all, despite how it appears when you first look at it. (Am I right?) I looked at Herm's pic of a new unit and it looks the same as mine.
� � � The next thing that has to come out is that frickafrack snap ringeveryone complains about getting back in. . Easy peazy! Didn't have a problem at all. �Then, put the 1/2 socket extension in there to remove the nut torqued to 120 ft lbs.. Wait, it doesn't fit. Ok, a 3/8 extension does... So MR ADD trys to take it out with the ratchet wrench and everything spins. Out comes the air wrench.. Success, it loosens right up. But nothing comes out.. Oh wait... I FORGOT TO TAKE THE SPECIAL LOCK WASHER OUT!!!Well now that I have ruined the special lockwasher with my impact wrench, it pops right out, and what do ya know, the 1/2 inch extension now fits right into the special nut. It zips right off, and the rest of the planetary set comes out. One Warn overdrive, removed and boxed for later inspection. At first glance it seems okay.
� � Well, I figured I better go back inside and reread the guides and see how to split the two gearboxes before I mess anything else up. .. Eventually after a while of t-90 related websurfing interrupted by a bit of eBaying �(ADD anyone??) I went back outside and wired the gears in the tranny forward, so nothing came apart at the wrong time. Popped out the 5 bolts, and whammo, I have a tranny and TC. And a lot of goopy gunk in the bottom. Yumm.
� � I swear the last time they paved the road out front someone snuck into my shop and coated this gearbox with some extra road tar they had on hand.. Cleaning the cases is going to be a FUN job. The other problem I have is the tranny has the long 6 cyl input shaft, so I will need to take another tranny I have apart so I can build one from two. (Or if I am lucky use the alternative tranny, which came from LA or MI somewhere two years or more ago.Been tripping over it in the shop ever since. )And there is no parking brake assembly either. I don't know yet if I will swap in one, or put on rear wheel parking brakes when I do the 11 inch brake conversion. I'm leaning towards the driveshaft brake.
� � � �When I get time I will post some pics so you experienced tranny rebuilders can tell me if you see anything that looks bad, at first glance before dismantling further. I was pleasantly surprised by what looks like a minimal amount of wear to me. This setup I took apart today came from a 55 Chevy Nomad, of all things, and had the worlds ugliest adapter to mate the T 90 with a Chevy bellhousing. This you gotta see to believe.
To be continued, hopefully before 2014. ::) Between installing a tranny on my F 150 on the ground and moving about a ton of heavy jeep parts this week, my back is ready to cry uncle....This getting old is for the birds. �;D
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I put wireless internet access and a PC in my remote garage so I always have a look on our website page. No need to walk back and forward.
I plan to bubba a laptop into my 3A so it will be always connected....nan! Just kidding.
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Well, today's job was further inspection of the tranny and transfer case, which always for me starts with scraping off the crud. It was rock hard and only some of the large chunks came off with a scraper. So, out comes the heavy artillery. A wire cup brush on the angle grinder made short work of the majority of the crud, while it spread grime all over the back of my workbench/Chevy truck bed. And as an added bonus, partly due to it being an el cheapo Harbor Fright brush and partly because it is the nature of the beast, I got a free accupuncture session. :D
I didn't find any busted case ears, cracks, or otherwise job stopping flaws in the case, so forward march.Here's the tranny after the beauty treatment.
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Here's what it looked like before.. Dig that grooovy adapter and the Chebby bellhousing from the Nomad..
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� As long as I was in Transmission Mode, I decided to take apart the supposed 48 Cj2A case I had bought from someone down New Orleans way quite a long time ago. It had the parking brake assembly I needed for the 3A, and the tranny had the correct input shaft I needed ( I think) to transplant to the other tranny. So, this time I decided to be smart and not lift it by hand, since I recently put my scrapyard A frame up. I found my chain hoist in the shop that I had found in an Indiana antique store last fall, and hooked it up. Even though it is rated at only a half ton it picked the assembled tranny and TC up like�it was a loaf of bread. While it was hanging in midair I did some more accupuncture/cleaning. Sure is nice to have stuff at a convenient height.
No overdrive to remove this time, found out it was a 26 tooth bowl gear.Took the nut off the gear but even though it moved freely a little bit it didn't want to come off, so I figured it would slide off when I split the tranny and TC. I popped the shifter off the tranny and looked inside. I don't know how I would have gotten it off without splitting teh transfer off.. Special puller maybe?
Not every used tranny is what it appears. This one was all cleaned up when I bought it, and it had a bunch of red silicone sealer on the tranny/ transfer case seam, as well as the bottom cover. You'd think...someone had it apart and repaired it or rebuilt it, right?? NOPE....If it had been put in a jeep the way it was it would have been a disaster. NO Synchro dogs were in the syncro assembly. I have no idea where they went, but you could easily shift the shift ring back and forth and it went too far in both directions. Also...looking into the case I saw a single lone roller looking up at me from its perch besides the reverse idler gear. OOPSIE!! �I guess I shoulda known the red silicone was a bad sign. Anyhow, everything else looked pretty decent , just a tiny bit of rust was starting to form on a couple of gears. �By the way, there were no guts to the parking brake, either, so I still need to find one.I think I paid somewhere around $100 for the whole tranny /transfer assembly so I can't really complain too much.
I took out the 5 bolts that hold the cases together, one from the front, three from the back, one never installed, and had to use a pry bar to break the grip of the silicone. As I had hoped the bowl gear slid right aff as the cases came apart. Good thing I had wired up the tranny, as the rear bearing slid off too...but no harm done, and eventually it will come farther apart to cannibalize the input shaft out of anyhow. Now I could easily move the gearboxes to gearbox alley by Pintojeep until I get ready to rebuild one. Split into components they arean't too bad to move.
Just for fun I scooted underneath Pintojeep, perched on a set of wheel dollies in the shop (ya gotta avoid putting miles on such a valuable vehicle ya know) to see if he had a parking brake. It's been so long since I was under there I forgot what was or wasn't there.. Well, at least some of the parking brake parts were there.. I didn't see the actuating lever but it was pretty dark. There were shoes at least. �I'll check the pictures I took under there to see just what I have. Everything under there is going to be replaced anyhow, as the tranny is full of rust and the transfer won't fit the new overdrive.
That's as far as I got today. More later..By the way the accupuncture didn't work. I still have no desire to smoke, and my back feels like an elephant walked on it. �::) I guess my aim was off with the needles. ;D ;D
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Heres the messy underside of Pintojeep. Obviously he is doing his best to keep up the reputation of jeeps and marking their spots..
(http://i1296.photobucket.com/albums/ag3/FBilljeeps/Pintojeeps%20T90%20with%20overdrive/DSCN1601_zps36a62bf3.jpg)
I can't see a parking brake arm anywhere in this pic....and the hat channels don't look too good either..But NO FRAME OFF RESTORATION this week. This is a remove and replace the gearboxes project, not a pull the tub job. So far anyhow. I just need to get Pintojeep ready for some trail duty, not the show circuit. I can see there is going to be a lot to do to get ready.
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Look like a good project Bill. Looking forward to the progress.
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Hey Bill, Are you selling your Pinto Jeep?
http://www.ewillys.com/2013/04/25/1946-cj-2a-dallas-tx-2500/
Look like a very good salad!
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Actually it looks like a pretty poor Jeep Salad.
Major cut in the firewall.
Shifter way off to the left - in the way of the driver's leg.
It does have a nice (maybe) radio.
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No, not mine. Pintojeep is a 3A. A lonely 3A right now.....as its owner is off to Iowa and thereabouts.
:'(
That one appears to be a 2.3 with hydraulic lifters, and again hasn't had the front mount location changed so the firewall was cut. No clue what tranny they used.
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I am in the process of putting a 2.3L Pinto engine into a '52 M-38. Previous owner had hacked the fire wall to get a Chevy 350 mounted. I got it with out an engine. Any thing military that could be unbolted was and I did not get those parts. Jeep motor mounts had been removed along with the battery tray. I do not know why I thought this would be an easy transplant. Too many systems removed or not usable. Blinded by, "Going to save a Jeep". I am in too deep to quit now.
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Let see that pinto M38! Show us some pics.
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I do have pictures. I do not have the knowledge to post them to the site. The body/tub is on blocks in the drive.
The frame has the Ford engine mounted and is in the garage. Lots of parts in boxes on the floor.
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Popeye is running but has had some fuel delivery problems.
Ok on the street but flooding on the rough trails.
I am sure there are all ways some type of problems to solve.
I will try to post a picture.
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Awesome Tom! Congratulations for getting Popeye rolling.
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Congrats.
A year and a couple months is not too bad considering all you had to do.
Way to go.
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This is great news Tom! Will you be taking Popeye to the FCT?
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Thanks Tim. Like most projects there is more to do.
Thank you johnrb3b. I seam to have lots of time on my hands and a Jeeping neighbor that is lots of help.
Tom, taking Popeye to the FCT is the plan. I had wanted to take him to the NCR but that just did not work for us this year.
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We took "Popeye" up Elk Mt. to the fire lookout tower today. Trey the Airedale loves Jeep rides.
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I'd say Trey is a "lucky dog". 8-)
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Tom, bring Trey to the FCT. Annie and Holly would love to play with him.