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Posted by: Matto
« on: September 11, 2013, 05:43:42 PM »

It's better to have one good Jeep than two bad, and other folks may be able to make use of parts from the donor tub that you don't use.
my .02 :)
Posted by: johnrb3b
« on: September 11, 2013, 10:05:29 AM »

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I just wanted to get a feel for what this community does and try to respect that in my Willys.
You'll find that this group is very open minded when it comes to degree of restoration. You won't get flamed for failing to do a period correct restore using all NOS parts. We understand that each has different goals for his Jeep and vastly different financial and skill resources.

Make your Jeep be what you want it to be and enjoy the process. We'll all be behind you with any help we can give.
Posted by: SteveW
« on: September 10, 2013, 03:37:54 PM »

Use what you want for your jeep, make what you want to try to make and buy other pieces when you need to. 3a's are rarer than 2a's.
Posted by: athawk11
« on: September 10, 2013, 03:34:35 PM »

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In the end, depending on percentages, this thing will be more like a Willys CJ2.64359A.� �:D

Love it!!
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Posted by: Tucker
« on: September 10, 2013, 01:18:24 PM »

I love this place.  You guys are great.  So glad I found this both before and during my build-up and restomod.

I come from the world of FSJ's, which also have a lot of overlapping parts between the different models and are getting rarer every day.  Over on IFSJA, parting out rigs to keep others going is encouraged, with many having parts Jeeps out in a back lot somewhere.  But there's also a strong contingent of members who scorn those heathens who cut for clearance for their 44" mud boggers.  I just wanted to get a feel for what this community does and try to respect that in my Willys.

For me, this is not going to be a period correct restoration.  The question is more about quality and efficiency.  I will be doing the body work myself, and cutting out a curved rear corner from the 2A tub to patch the 3A tub makes sense because its curve and gauge thickness are already correct (or darn close) when I go to weld it in.  It'd also, for what it's worth, remaining Willys through and through.

In the end, depending on percentages, this thing will be more like a Willys CJ2.64359A.   :D
Posted by: Carls_jeep
« on: September 10, 2013, 11:16:33 AM »

The after market body parts are not as good as the original metal parts. Use what you need off the 2A for the 3A. There is little difference between the 2A and 3A tubs.

If your a good welder and can smooth out the joints no one will know what you did. Just don't over heat the panels when welding and use lap joints on the panels.
Posted by: BMIC
« on: September 10, 2013, 11:15:32 AM »

I agree with the rest and for the same reasons, a total respect for what Willy's represents.
I appreciate that you would ask the question in this forum before making the first cut in the 2A.
 To steal a bit from ScoutPilots well written post, there is no instant gratification involved here just a diligent effort to honor the hard road these jeeps have traveled.
Posted by: 3aJeeper
« on: September 10, 2013, 10:00:23 AM »

I agree - make one from the two. Likely if you were to sell the 2a tub, it would be used for the same parts you need.

Posted by: johnrb3b
« on: September 10, 2013, 09:58:22 AM »

I'll chime in with the rest.
Cut what you need from the 2A tub. If it's rotted enough in the bottom, it's not worth much anyway.

Where are you located? I've got an M38 windshield with good glass. The M38 is a 3A with the vent door bolted shut.
Posted by: duffer
« on: September 10, 2013, 09:27:43 AM »

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This issue may be couched in a quasi-moral/ethical debate, but many have been faced with this dilemma. What it actually boils down to is societal pressure and the recently (last forty years or so) of the need for instant gratification. I counsel patience and a diligent search for as many correct parts as you can find that fall within your budget constraints. If you mix the two you will need journeyman skills, or access to them, in order to pull it off with any measure of success. Then, when it comes time (and it will) to sell, you are faced with questions from a prospective buyer as to authenticity. I'm not saying you won't be able to sell it, I'm saying your market will be limited. Many of us have purchased a minimum of two and often more parts jeeps. I personally have purchased seven, but I bought them cheap enough to justify parting them out. Parting out an old jeep can help defray the cost of a correct restoration.

Would using "correct" patch panels be any more authentic?  If done carefully, the 2A patchs will be just as good as any other means.  I would find a 3A windshield frame.  IMO, just a much better arrangement, not to mention "correct".
Posted by: scoutpilot
« on: September 10, 2013, 06:52:06 AM »

This issue may be couched in a quasi-moral/ethical debate, but many have been faced with this dilemma. What it actually boils down to is societal pressure and the recently (last forty years or so) of the need for instant gratification. I counsel patience and a diligent search for as many correct parts as you can find that fall within your budget constraints. If you mix the two you will need journeyman skills, or access to them, in order to pull it off with any measure of success. Then, when it comes time (and it will) to sell, you are faced with questions from a prospective buyer as to authenticity. I'm not saying you won't be able to sell it, I'm saying your market will be limited. Many of us have purchased a minimum of two and often more parts jeeps. I personally have purchased seven, but I bought them cheap enough to justify parting them out. Parting out an old jeep can help defray the cost of a correct restoration.
Posted by: calvinhunt
« on: September 10, 2013, 12:38:26 AM »

I'll be the 7th one to say, Make one from the two.� But, often people ask advice in order to feel good about what they really want to do.� If cutting up the 2A to complete the 3A isn't what you want to do, then just do exactly as you want.� No one here will be offended. Just post a few pics along the way so we can enjoy your project with you.�
Posted by: p3ferris
« on: September 09, 2013, 10:22:48 PM »

What would I do...I would use all the parts available that will fit  then sell the remaining parts that are good to someone that needs that part to fix theirs up.  win win situation
Posted by: Haines Garage
« on: September 09, 2013, 03:32:19 PM »

Hack the 2A, ;D ;D ;D fix the 3A. For what my vote counts, but yes save what you dont need for us 2A Guys ;). Like Fbill said.
Posted by: Tucker
« on: September 09, 2013, 02:40:20 PM »

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Do you have any more to the 2A or just a tub?

I have more for the 2A than the 3A in terms of body parts (no 3A window frame or fenders or hood, but all of those for the 2A).  But the 3A tub is more solid (just needs some hack jobs repaired) and the frame and drivetrain are 3A, which is what it is registered as.

I want it to be as much 3A as possible so that when I eventually go through the process of getting an updated/corrected VIN using the 451 GB1-XXXXX serial number, it will be less of a hassle. (The motor was swapped out, so my current VIN--motor number 647711--isn't on the vehicle anymore.)

So complicated.