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Posted by: F Bill
« on: July 03, 2012, 10:02:08 PM »

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Sorry took me a bit to get to this post, recovering from total left knee replacement but looking forward to getting back to my Willys project! �I'm in as far as contributing, let me know the cost. �Thanks.

It is pretty much up to you , amounts donated have been between $35 and $100  so far. We need to raise about $1200-1800 depending on just how much it will cost to get new forum software up and running...The actual buyout is $1000, then we need to pay our new IT guy to do the swap over and the first year of hosting, etc....The higher figure gets us a new, better  forum, the lower figure we keep the current setup.

And if you cannot donate anything right now, there should be opportunities in the future to cover hosting, domain $$, etc.
Posted by: drlain
« on: July 03, 2012, 01:27:56 PM »

Sorry took me a bit to get to this post, recovering from total left knee replacement but looking forward to getting back to my Willys project!  I'm in as far as contributing, let me know the cost.  Thanks.
Posted by: Stich
« on: June 30, 2012, 10:10:43 AM »

Another great fan of Davids EWillys site. I just bought my 49 using his site and got a great find. As I check it every morning, I was the first to reply and jumped on it quickly. Glad to have your help here David.
Posted by: athawk11
« on: June 29, 2012, 09:49:57 PM »

David,
Thank you for your help, and welcome aboard.  I enjoy eWillys very much.  I only discovered it last year.  Recently, I looked deep into your eWillys pages (2010)  and actually found my Jeep as it was listed on CL.

Thank you again for your help with the 3A page.

Tim
Posted by: Lost_Biscuit
« on: June 29, 2012, 08:08:03 PM »

Hello everyone,

Bill asked me to introduce myself to those that might not know me.  I'm David Eilers and I run eWillys.  I also own a CJ-3A. Well, technically only the windshield, dataplate, and VIN are left of the original frameless body I purchased.  Now it is a CJ-3A called Lost Biscuit with a fiberglass Bobcat body (made to look like a parkette body), a CJ-5 frame, modded suspension and more that I designed for roads, trails and racing in the Pacific Northwest (see link to it or picture below).  Importantly, no nice or stock jeeps were harmed in the creation of Lost Biscuit.  If you want to know more about why I built my jeep in 2007 & 2008 you can read about it in the book I wrote that Bill mentioned (and helped proofread).

I've been building and generally mucking with the web since 1993 when the web was nothing more than a series of Gopher sites.  After building companies and managing websites (again long story), I decided to launch my own website about vintage jeeps in 2008.  As part of that process I chose not to create any forums that I felt would compete with the already existing forums, which have strong communities.  Instead, rather than compete, I wanted to channel new people to those communities.  So, I've always thought of eWillys as a Gateway into the Vintage Jeep world for people who don't know much about them and don't know where to look for information.  

Recently, Bill approached me about helping transition the technology from one hosting "box" to another and to help act as a technical support person.  I've agreed to do that.

Importantly, I don't want to make decisions on managing the site, but am happy to provide advice if there are questions.  Jonathon and members here have created a nice community and the last thing I want to do is disrupt that.  If you have any questions about my involvement, feel free to ask.
Posted by: Macgraham
« on: June 29, 2012, 01:34:16 PM »

I agree, Tim, I'd hate to think where I would be with my Jeep now had Bill not suggested that I check out the site. I had been checking out the old 3a site and was not aware of the new one. Mac :exclamation :exclamation :exclamation :exclamation
Posted by: athawk11
« on: June 29, 2012, 12:57:02 PM »

 I do agree with F Bill. A none pay site is best. �I doubt I would have wanted to pay when I first joined. �For someone new, the question would be 'What value will I get for my money?' � That is unknown until you are saved a half dozen times by the knowledge of these members. �Now, what I've learned and received makes me want to pay up.

I like that the site is free. �But given the choice of NO site because we couldn't afford it... :'(

or

Pay a little to keep the site... I will pay! :)

Tim
Posted by: Dez
« on: June 29, 2012, 11:02:23 AM »

I agree with fbill on all his thoughts on how the forum should be.


Ive actually made around $400 from selling my misc parts so i believe i actually owe the site at least $50. I tried to post some stuff on the 2a forum but no one was really interested in them since they were 3a. Posted over here and sold them right away.
Posted by: F Bill
« on: June 29, 2012, 12:06:31 AM »

One thing about Athawk's suggestion about selling stuff.. Lately several states have started to collect sales tax on Internet sales. Texas is one such state. The amount of additional paperwork and red tape that adds is just something I don't feel isworth taking on at this point.

I also do not want to make a classified section only available to paid membership at any particular amount. Let me tell you a little story to explain why I figure that is a road we do not want to go down.

I have a yard full of trinkets at my old place , all of which I have tried to sell here and there on the net. I have about 4 of one vintage brand of garden tractor, and at one point I had two jeep Cherokees to sell. �I tried to join up at a Cherokee board and also to the particular garden tractor site, just to sell off the collection to those who had an interest in them. The Cherokee site �dumped my ads, as I had not been on teh site for enough time to sell anything there, according to their policies. so, not one guy on the Cherokee site got to buy my $150 �Cherokee that I found out later had a rear axle in it the was highly sought after.

Virtually the same thing happened with the garden tractors, except that was a paid membership only site, and my membership had expired. I was willing to rejoin, but for some reason their software was not functioning and I could not for the life of me rejoin. Again, the membership of that site missed out on a pretty good mother lode of tractors and implements. They may end up getting stolen for scrap before they get sold....

And also, paid memberships keep out the folks who are just thinking about buying a jeep, or the younger folks who don't have access to cars just yet, but they might really be interested in learning about jeeps...Keeping it on a donation level with sponsor members is, in my opinion the best way to do it.
Posted by: F Bill
« on: June 28, 2012, 11:46:39 PM »

Okay guys, it sounds like most of us are on the same page here... I do have a professional IT guy in mind already. He has been in the background, advising me on what would be the best way to go about this transformation to a member owned site..

Let me introduce our new IT guy and webmaster, David Eilers. Unless someone has a HUGE valid reason not to use Dave, I think he is our man for several reasons. One, he runs, and quite well, eWillys.com, a website that many of us visit daily. (If you have not seen eWillys, go and take a look. ) Two, he has been instrumental in several major businesses involving IT work. Third, he is a stand up guy. I got to really know Dave by reading his book, FINDING VIRGINIA, in fact I read it several times as a proofreader for a later edition.

Dave has volunteered to help us with this transition, and get us hosting and IT services, for one year. He is asking a minimal fee for this, and a portion of any advertising revenue we might generate. We do NOT plan on having anywhere near as much advertising as his site. as we heard loud and clear just how little you guys want to have a bunch of ads clogging things up. Dave will be the guy I go to when the site needs some work or stuff isn't functional. He won't have time to make a whoile lot of new content, altho I am sure he will help out.

Dave and I will be the folks in charge, for now. I guess I will be the head honcho, but �Dave will be a close second. At some point I will need to bring on a third person to take the reins if something happens to me or Dave, as I do not want to make this site dependent on ONE person. Remember what happened with Vernco when he had issues at home? (For those that were not in the loop for that, Vernco and all its good stuff disappeared off the face of the earth, suddenly, and without much explanation. for quite a long time) That stuff, health issues, and life in general happens, and one person's life should not shut down a site like this. I would feel a lot better if there was a third person who knew who hosted the site, where to send the hosting check, etc.. Perhaps there will be a super moderator who will have access to that sort of stuff... I dunno yet.

The way I see this going, is we will switch ownership and hosting, keeping the YABB board until we have enough funds to buy improved board software and pay Dave to install it. That may be fairly soon, or we may decide to do this down the road next year. One thing I do know from my research �was that if we DO keep the YABB board it will really limit what we can do as far as any changes, ads, etc. Transfering threads from the YABB board is very labor intensive, and we don't want to keep adding threads to the obsolete board we will eventually dump for too long.

At the moment we are trying to figure out how to do the donations. If some do not have the ability to do Paypal, we will need some way to handle the checks or money orders.... If nobody has any objection, I can have them sent to me, I will deposit them in my own account , and then send a Paypal payment to the Paypal account we have yet to establish. JR has suggested we just sent the donations to his �CJ3A Paypal Account, which is one option, but we will need to set up a new PP account for the website anyway so David has suggested it will be a more clean transition that way. If you do have access to Paypal, I would far prefer that method of payment.

While we do have more than 200 legit members, if you look at the statistics only about 50 are really active at the moment. �about 50 have not been here in over a year, 50 plus have not seen the page in 60 days, etc. I have signed several folks up who have never visited the board once I signed them up, which confuses me a little bit. �We have one member who signed up to make a post about the jeep parts they were now a dealer in, and they visited once or twice after they did their one post. So a !0 dollar donation from each of whatever the total member ship is probably won't do the trick as I doubt we will see anything from over half of the members.

I plan to start taking actual donations sometime next week, probably after the 4th. I do have some other stuff to do , actually spent a lot of today in the attic repairing insulation problems and I still have a bunch of work to do to my escort truck before I leave next Friday for Colorado.

At some point on Saturday I will put together a list of those I have pledges from and post it, unless there is someone who objects..I will not post the amounts for now except to state the totals.

Thanks again guys and gals (Do we have any gals here??

Bill F.
Posted by: athawk11
« on: June 28, 2012, 11:22:02 PM »

I don't mind having some banner type adds from Jeep vendors, autoparts stores etc...  if it would help finance the page.  

Perhaps there could be a teer approach to collecting additional money from  members.
  
For example, when you become a new member, it would be free to view the 'tech page' and maybe the 'gatherings' page.  With a paid $10.00 a year donation, you would have additional access to the 'rambling','for sale' and 'wanted' pages.  

For a $20.00 a year donation, you open up additional pages to 'full' members, like 'my rebuild' or 'members Willys photo albums' FAQ area, or ._____ fill in the blank.  Heck, donate $30.00 and through in a 3A T-shirt.  

We could even have a store where you can buy some merchandise: Hats, T-shirts, Sweatshirts, coffee mugs.  Turn a small profit.  (Just enough to pay the IT guy.)

Just some thoughts.
Tim
Posted by: calvinhunt
« on: June 28, 2012, 10:52:59 PM »

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I suspect not many are reading this thread.

If everyone of the 243 members gave $10 we would have $2430.
Carl, I believe more members are reading this thread that you might think. �As I logged on just now I saw that it has been read 898 times. �Many more are reading than posting. �I agree with Jonathan about the money being there. �I feel that when a decision is made as to how best make the 3A Page come together we will have the donors. I believe that many are just waiting to see how it does comes together before pledging. �I second what you said about pledging and paying up. �I don't think that will be a problem either. �I truly believe that the folks who are drawn to these old American icons that we're driving / restoring are some of the people best America has. �I really mean that. �I have come to know several through the posts, and even quite a few "face to face', all are really great. �We will make it happen and it will be worth it. �And I also second exactly what you said about being a donor of $100 or more does not make a person an owner. �It just makes him someone who is appreciative of sharing fun times and fun projects, learning technical data as well as sharing it, and making great acquaintances. �I have certainly received more than $100 worth of information and enjoyment from the CJ-3A Page. �Long live the 3A Page.
Posted by: Gunslinger
« on: June 28, 2012, 10:33:46 PM »

Guys, I'm wondering, I think most of us are pretty busy, we all like this site and want to keep it going, thats good.  But as Bill has indicated, it takes some doing to keep it up with moderators and IT support.  Quarterly or monthly donations were mentioned and I think that could turn into a billing and collections nightmare for someone, and I hate to see that much effort go into the admin work.

 I'd like to throw out there that a lot of what I've learned and passed along came from some of the various vendors that I've dealt with; guys like Louie Larson at Willys World Wide, John at Midwest Military, Army Jeep Parts, Walcks and a host of others.  I'm suggesting that we allow enough ad space for these guys and others like them, use that money to pay for a professional IT guy to keep the site going from the Tech side, do the updates and all the stuff ( I Know some of these guys and they are all contractors at heart, some night work is pretty common for them).  Then we just need a couple moderators and a guy to be the "TMFIC" like JR does for us now.  I think we need to generate a revenue stream to keep this easy to manage is all I'm sayin.
Posted by: Forum Master
« on: June 28, 2012, 08:28:37 PM »

Don't worry, it sounds like you guys are pretty damn close to the amount needed.
Posted by: p3ferris
« on: June 28, 2012, 08:28:02 PM »

I am :)